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Moral Question

Is it considered morally right to openly be angry with a teacher? But then to add to it question them and have an open debate with the entire class there to listen?

I feel like it is. I also feel like if someone were to break the shell of a teacher's hard "educated" head it might be a bit of a rude awakening.

Never mind being rude or moral, I did this today to one of my more (metaphorically) blind teachers. She really doesn't see the entire picture of students silently boiling thinking of how much they hate the class/her, but just the very very few that love her and praise her. I decided to speak my mind. To question everything she said. Point out the lies and bullshit that's been drilled into her head. I released, no, I exploded. I let out a ton of my anger about school. She needed to see that her job doesn't bring as much happiness as she sees and that it was completely unnecessary. That I don't trust her with "educating" my brain. It was my mission for the day.

I might have led by example because other kids that don't normally go as far as me in their debates with our teacher joined me. They actually helped prove a few of my points. I was mostly the leader, though, since I'm positive I'm the only one in the class that has read two John Taylor Gatto books twice over.

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04-18-2013 07:01 AM
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How'd the teacher react?
04-18-2013 07:41 AM
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(04-18-2013 07:41 AM)Dead Wrote:  How'd the teacher react?

By defending school. If there were ever a teacher to admit school sucks they would probably be retired.

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(01-13-2012 10:37 AM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  Mike you deserve an SS medal. Here, be proud:
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Congrats for doing something I never had the balls to do.
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(01-25-2012 05:36 AM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  Balls of steel re-awarded. 
(02-07-2012 03:22 PM)flann Wrote:  Balls of Tungsten, now.

I found a picture for tungsten balls
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(02-14-2012 03:17 PM)Maelstrom Wrote:  Your balls are denser than white dwarf star matter.
(03-13-2012 08:27 PM)M3116 Wrote:  Balls of steel re-re-reawarded Nutter

(05-14-2013 03:01 PM)Prince Darkstar Wrote:  Dirtbikemike is the only guy I know of on here who won an argument with a teacher.
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RE: Moral Question

(04-18-2013 08:05 AM)Dirtbikemike Wrote:  
(04-18-2013 07:41 AM)Dead Wrote:  How'd the teacher react?

By defending school. If there were ever a teacher to admit school sucks they would probably be retired.

lol


I rip apart the compulsory part if it comes up. But I'm not sure I'm doing my students any favor by agreeing with them. For most kids it probably just makes the world that much more confusing. I strongly believe that I encourage critical thinking far more than any other teacher I've ever met but there's rocky water out there.

This is a little off point but maybe relevant. One time I was talking to really bright young teen about a film we had both seen. She said how much she liked it and I said I didn't like it so much because there was no ambiguity to it. It was so sentimental and emotionally obvious that I found it boring. And she said, 'But I'm a teenager. I don't want ambiguity.' I know she doesn't speak for all teens but I thought it was an insightful point. She wants stability. She doesn't want a world so upside down that the teacher is telling her how bad school sucks.

So maybe the moral question is: Is it really ok for a teacher to openly agree with you.

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Quote:And she said, 'But I'm a teenager. I don't want ambiguity.' I know she doesn't speak for all teens but I thought it was an insightful point. She wants stability. She doesn't want a world so upside down that the teacher is telling her how bad school sucks.

assuming that somebody actually made such a stupid remark, i don't think it should be taken as anything more than a random, careless attempt at sarcasm, or something of that sort. there is no reason why being a teenager should naturally lead to not wanting ambiguity in movies, or as you take it, in general. idk what you find "insightful" about it, 'But I'm a teenager. I don't want ambiguity' is the equivalent of "but i'm black. i don't want pepperoni" or "but i'm female. i don't want mushrooms" seriously wtf is ppl smoking i just don't get it im srry

Quote:So maybe the moral question is: Is it really ok for a teacher to openly agree with you.

i guess not if you think hope is cruel

Quote:Is it considered morally right to openly be angry with a teacher?

i consider free speech and expression moral, as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of anyone else. "Give me Liberty, or give me Death!"
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RE: Moral Question

Potato, I'm pretty sure you're a lot more comfortable with critical and radical ideas than your typical teen.

If you want to be a different fish, you've got to jump out of the school.


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Quote:And she said, 'But I'm a teenager. I don't want ambiguity.' I know she doesn't speak for all teens but I thought it was an insightful point. She wants stability. She doesn't want a world so upside down that the teacher is telling her how bad school sucks.

I am old enough to remember when people would get into fistfights over politics or religion. This in itself was not so much of a good thing but it did reflect a time when what people thought was true or right was most important to them.

The world today is much different. You are guilty of a crime if you make someone feel bad. Instead of truth, we worship comfort. How we feel is much more important to most people than what is true. If you try to speak truth to someone who seeks comfort, you will find that not only do they not understand what you are talking about, they see you as a threat.

The pool of people that can understand truth, much less seek it, is rapidly shrinking. Remember the first law of social dynamics, "Don't spook the cattle".
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You must purchase a "Politically Correct Vocabulary Words" book in order to avoid causing problems.

One would rather be in a bubble hovering over the edge of a cliff, oblivious to the fact that bubble will pop and they will fall to their doom than to acknowledge the danger and prepare for it. Or something along those lines.

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Some people want stability, some don't. I don't see what being a teenager has got to do with it.

So, considering the fact that all these people are lumped in the same room, and might want totally different things (some want stability, some don't), arguing over the nature of schooling will be good for some and bad for others. Such is life, but it's not your fault they're all lumped together in the same place, so it's not really your responsibility to cater to all of their different preferences. Unless you want to. Which is fine too.

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Quote:But I'm a teenager. I don't want ambiguity

I hope she doesn't go out in public and spout this, because that'd only worsen our image.
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(04-20-2013 12:11 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Some people want stability, some don't. I don't see what being a teenager has got to do with it.

So, considering the fact that all these people are lumped in the same room, and might want totally different things (some want stability, some don't), arguing over the nature of schooling will be good for some and bad for others. Such is life, but it's not your fault they're all lumped together in the same place, so it's not really your responsibility to cater to all of their different preferences. Unless you want to. Which is fine too.

I like the way you think.

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It is defiantly not immoral to get angry with your teacher, it just might not be the best idea. It is like a slave getting angry with his master. There nothing immoral about it, but it will most likely result in the slave getting punished.
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