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I wasn't good enough at encouraging people to be kinder, and removing people who refuse to be kind. Encouraging people is hard, and removing people creates conflict, and I hate conflict... so that's why I wasn't better at it.

I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.

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Okay, because I was pretty active for a month and suddenly disappeared, and I think you guys need an explanation. I told my therapist about how behind I was, who in turn told my parents. That weekend, they looked through my history and came across this website. My mom said that this site was "a bunch of kids ranting about their lives" and that I must be depressed because of it. They banned me from it.

Now that I'm pretty much on track and have earned back their trust, I want to give you guys a formal farewell. This isn't the last you'll see of me, but I will not be too active anymore. I hope you start to take action. I've written some papers about school, and will post them here as resources, if I can find them.

You might ask why I'm not just going to go on School Survival anyway, and I have an answer to that. My parents have demonstrated that they have no regard to my privacy. They are capable of doing it again, and I don't want to risk getting into more trouble. Right now, this site is uncomfortable to be on.

I know that you guys might not remember me, and that there are new people, but I think I am not being too arrogant in posting this. I've seen some ideas I've taken part in formulating still being discussed, so I think I've left an impact too big to just disappear.

One more thing; Soulriser, I think you need to separate School Talk and Venting into 2 forums, to prevent this from happening to anyone else. Also, we can't be taken seriously if threads discussing reforms are right next to threads talking about how much someone hates their parents.

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(03-19-2013 07:20 AM)SubCulture Wrote:  Okay, because I was pretty active for a month and suddenly disappeared, and I think you guys need an explanation. I told my therapist about how behind I was, who in turn told my parents. That weekend, they looked through my history and came across this website. My mom said that this site was "a bunch of kids ranting about their lives" and that I must be depressed because of it. They banned me from it.

Now that I'm pretty much on track and have earned back their trust, I want to give you guys a formal farewell. This isn't the last you'll see of me, but I will not be too active anymore. I hope you start to take action. I've written some papers about school, and will post them here as resources, if I can find them.

You might ask why I'm not just going to go on School Survival anyway, and I have an answer to that. My parents have demonstrated that they have no regard to my privacy. They are capable of doing it again, and I don't want to risk getting into more trouble. Right now, this site is uncomfortable to be on.

I know that you guys might not remember me, and that there are new people, but I think I am not being too arrogant in posting this. I've seen some ideas I've taken part in formulating still being discussed, so I think I've left an impact too big to just disappear.

One more thing; Soulriser, I think you need to separate School Talk and Venting into 2 forums, to prevent this from happening to anyone else. Also, we can't be taken seriously if threads discussing reforms are right next to threads talking about how much someone hates their parents.

How dare your parents insult me. I'm filing a law suit for liable. This is an outrage! Pirate
But I don't think I remember you. You probably disappeared a bit before I joined.

Dude. Use Incognito.(on Chrome). It doesn't save your history and once you close the browser, there's no evidence. It's how I watched my pRon educational videos. Firefox and IE also have something similar, it should be called private browsing or something like that.

By the way, I highly suggest you erase your history, right now.

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Incognito + erase mentions of SS in history + erase temporary files = a winning combination of privacy, no proxies or alternative means of hiding required.

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(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)DoA Wrote:  Incognito + erase mentions of SS in history + erase temporary files = a winning combination of privacy, no proxies or alternative means of hiding required.
Do what DoA says. Once I notice that my mom starts going through my laptop (if ever), will be the time to erase any and all history every time I close my browser.

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I may take your advice, thank you.

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(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)DoA Wrote:  Incognito + erase mentions of SS in history + erase temporary files = a winning combination of privacy, no proxies or alternative means of hiding required.
Do what DoA says. Once I notice that my mom starts going through my laptop (if ever), will be the time to erase any and all history every time I close my browser.

You bad boy. Whatcha hiding on your laptop?

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(03-21-2013 02:54 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  
(03-20-2013 11:58 PM)MagnificentMarty Wrote:  
(03-19-2013 01:10 PM)DoA Wrote:  Incognito + erase mentions of SS in history + erase temporary files = a winning combination of privacy, no proxies or alternative means of hiding required.
Do what DoA says. Once I notice that my mom starts going through my laptop (if ever), will be the time to erase any and all history every time I close my browser.

You bad boy. Whatcha hiding on your laptop?
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Good luck with the parental units... Hug

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Quote:One more thing; Soulriser, I think you need to separate School Talk and Venting into 2 forums, to prevent this from happening to anyone else. Also, we can't be taken seriously if threads discussing reforms are right next to threads talking about how much someone hates their parents.
That's kind of what the Youth Rights forum is for.

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Thanks, Soul.

But, I thought that the Youth Rights forum is for issues like voting and curfews, not for school. Well, maybe it's also for the legal rights of students, but I digress. I thought School Talk and Venting was for both ranting AND anything about the school system. Maybe it's a good idea to put School Talk with Youth Rights, and leave Venting on its own.

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A lot of venting is also about school, and a lot of youth rights is also related to school... so it is kinda a big related pool of relatedness. But generally the Youth Rights forum is supposed to be more serious discussion type things and not so much general opinion/venting/etc... I suppose I could rename them to "Serious School/Youth Rights Discussion" and "General School Talk/Venting" ... but that makes their names longer. And people might not know where to draw the line between what's serious and what isn't. And neither do I, actually... xD

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We have a Youth Rights forum?

Interesting. Then again, the only forum I know for sure is the Random Basement one. I just view today's posts and make sure my username is the last poster on as many as possible.

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(03-19-2013 07:20 AM)SubCulture Wrote:  Okay, because I was pretty active for a month and suddenly disappeared, and I think you guys need an explanation. I told my therapist about how behind I was, who in turn told my parents. That weekend, they looked through my history and came across this website. My mom said that this site was "a bunch of kids ranting about their lives" and that I must be depressed because of it. They banned me from it.

Now that I'm pretty much on track and have earned back their trust, I want to give you guys a formal farewell. This isn't the last you'll see of me, but I will not be too active anymore. I hope you start to take action. I've written some papers about school, and will post them here as resources, if I can find them.

You might ask why I'm not just going to go on School Survival anyway, and I have an answer to that. My parents have demonstrated that they have no regard to my privacy. They are capable of doing it again, and I don't want to risk getting into more trouble. Right now, this site is uncomfortable to be on.

I know that you guys might not remember me, and that there are new people, but I think I am not being too arrogant in posting this. I've seen some ideas I've taken part in formulating still being discussed, so I think I've left an impact too big to just disappear.

One more thing; Soulriser, I think you need to separate School Talk and Venting into 2 forums, to prevent this from happening to anyone else. Also, we can't be taken seriously if threads discussing reforms are right next to threads talking about how much someone hates their parents.


Okay, I think you need to use Tor, and go under a blanket (assuming you use a laptop). Enough said.

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Man the fuck up and tell them you dont give a shit. Its an outlet. A resourse if you will to vent yourself to others that share your 'story' or can at least offer empathy. Its AA for students. I think that that sort of ironicly works out that we are SS. Besides your parents sound like total helicopter cases and need to ease the fuck up. And you can tell them I said that.

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Wrote this two years ago, when I wasn't immediately scared off by the idea going on here.

Glad I was able to keep this secret for that long, and that my 15 year old self didn't know that if you post your goodbye, you haven't really said goodbye.

Man, has it changed....

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I posted like a month after I joined lol.

I have not changed...

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Reading my response to this thread gives me the giggles. Hehe.

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(03-19-2015 01:40 PM)Subb Wrote:  Wrote this two years ago, when I wasn't immediately scared off by the idea going on here.

Glad I was able to keep this secret for that long, and that my 15 year old self didn't know that if you post your goodbye, you haven't really said goodbye.

Man, has it changed....

I read through this thread not noticing the date, and got pretty enraged (which is very unusual for me...)

I'm calming down now.

But still, there are so many people who are 15, or 14, or 13, or earlier, suffering in school, and they're stuck with "school = success" parents, no matter how horribly they are suffering and failing to learn much of anything.

This has to change.

And we have so many allies... and really, those who don't agree seem to be coming from a "I don't really want to think about it" angle.

What can we do to help the large numbers of people who never join the forums, or stick around? The visitor survey shows that so many more people visit the site (and are stuck in school) ever join the forums, and it's clear that many more people never even see School Survival.

There's so much more to say. But who wants to listen? (I think many do, but they are still thinking "school = success" and they don't know what else to do.

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I'm glad you're here. Hug

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OMG...I just read this thread w/o looking at the date.... NEVER DO THAT!

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Sorry for that, guys. Yeah, this happened two years ago. I do still have to keep SS a secret because of this, btw.

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(03-21-2015 01:21 AM)Subb Wrote:  I do still have to keep SS a secret because of this, btw.

This is why it's so important for us to connect with allies and make it clear there are valid reasons for questioning school. The ideas of being "behind" in learning on school's schedule are so archaic and toxic. The fact that there are so many therapists out there who don't grasp the damage school can cause is something we have to change.

People's lives really are hanging in the balance, while therapists get paid big bucks to make people's lives worse. It's wrong and it needs to change. Among other things, you don't even need high school for college, so why torture people with it?

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On a more positive note, this is why Catalyst Learning Network exists... and so many positive things are happening when it comes to connecting with allies. It's just sad to see how many people are stuck in those situations where they can't even discuss education with their families and therapists without living in fear of being punished.

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