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Usefulness of High School and Personal Rebellion
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Usefulness of High School and Personal Rebellion

Ok, I've been seeing this come up on this forum, and I would really like to address this.

It bothers me a lot that those within the school system, teachers and students included, seem to believe you need to go to school or you will not be able to find a job.

This is not true. Most employers for entry level positions do not verify your high school education during a background check. If you work for some small business run by mom n pop, they definitely won't do it. They don't care. In my experience they don't, in my friends' experiences they don't.

On a lot of job applications, there will be a section that asks you, "Do you have a high school diploma or GED?" Check the box that says yes, just do it. Sometimes there will be a threatening warning at the end of the application that says something to the effect of, "If any information you have provided is discovered to be inaccurate, you may be terminated." This is just a formality, and it encourages applicants to tell the truth.

Now, let's say you never completed high school, you get hired, and for some reason, it's discovered you never completed high school. Will it matter? If you're a good employee, you are of benefit to the employer, you show up, do a good job, behave, why the fuck would they fire you? And then the employer would have to spend time and money trying to find another hire, and risk getting a shittier person... all because you didn't have a high school education that was totally useless to perform your job duties? Between a high school grad and a non-grad, they would still have to spend time training you regardless.

Also, regarding college. Yeah, in Texas at least, you need to have completed high school to enter college, but a GED will do. Yes, it's true, it will be difficult for you to get into a state university with a GED after having dropped out of high school... but why would you do that?

It is highly recommended by anyone who has been to college and among educators alike, that you should spend a year or two at a community college first. Fact: Universities love applicants from community colleges. The drop out rates among students who have successfully completed community college courses is lower than fresh-out-high-school students. It is also cheaper to do this. It also lets you put your feet in the water before jumping in to a 4-year university.

I realize this isn't an option for all people, just the logistics and such. Maybe you don't live near a community college, and the community college nearby doesn't have housing etc. Whatever factors are involved. However, correspondence courses are becoming more widespread, and they are of course just as valid as brick-and-mortar courses. College credits and all.

Also, regarding the GED. It was one of the easiest tests I've ever taken. The night before the test, I stayed up until 3 AM playing video games and chatting with my friend online. The test was at 9 AM. I scored something like the upper 99 percentile on the math section, upper 96 percentile on the reading section, and I got a 5/6 on my essay.

Having a GED instead of a high school diploma has never hindered me. I have never been told "Oh, you got one of those GEDs instead of a high school diploma? You can't work here, sorry." This has never happened. And trust me, you don't want to work for someone that stupid if they actually cared.

Job interviews? I have never been asked a single question about school.

In job interviews they ask you questions that attempt to reveal aspects of your personality and work-ethic that would be useful in determining whether or not you will be a good employee. Again, they do not give a single fuck about your high school career. That would be laughable in an interview.

Quote:You tell people to "learn on their own" and accept the consequences. Those consequences are really very serious if you look at them from an objective viewpoint. These kids will be punished, their grades possibly ruined, and their future employability possibly dampened. All for what?

I never found that getting into serious trouble and letting my grades commit suicide would accomplish anything but pain for me. Certainly that pain would have been more than the pain I experienced from actually going to school and doing the work. And I definitely don't see how the personal rebellion I never actually did would have helped anyone else.

I addressed the employment/grades part.

Here's what would realistically happen: Let's say you start reading your own books during class. You come in, crack open your book, and silently start reading to yourself. When the teacher starts lecturing, he or she would very quickly notice you aren't paying attention.

"Excuse me Desu, class has started."

Ok, what do you do now? Let's look at what would happen if you said this, and kept reading.

"Yes... I am reading one of my books."

The teacher is going to tell you to put the book away, if you don't do it, they will simply walk over and snatch it right out of your hands. If you told the teacher to give it back to you, and tried to take it back, you would be sent to the principal for being defiant. How long it would take would depend on the patience of the teacher.

So now you're sitting in the principal's office. You're going to have to explain to him or her why you refused to put the book away. When you explain. I'm pretty sure 1 of 3 things will happen.

1. The principal will simply tell you you have to do what the teacher says and if not, you will be punished (detention, in-school suspension, whatever).

2. The principal will attempt to persuade you that paying attention in class is important, if you don't do the work you'll get Fs in everything and you'll have to repeat grades, and you won't be able to go to college, and you're going to flip burgers forever.

3. The principal may try to look like they're on your side and say, "Yes I understand why you're coming from but...." and explain that we have to do things in this world that we don't want to do sometimes.

After monologue 1 or 2 or 3, the principal will probably ask, "So are you going to do what the teacher says?"

If you answered no, I really don't know what would happen. You may get punished on the spot and be sent the detention, they may call your parents on the spot... I really don't know. They may try to negotiate with you.

Seriously, it's a lot to ask of a kid to do all of this. Adults are good at talking right in a kid's face and making them feel bad and manipulating them and brainwashing them to do and think certain things. It will honestly take an exceptional amount of bravery just to do this.

The best outcome of all this is in-school suspension. You can just chill in peace. Read, whatever. If your school is like mine, you get extra days in ISS if they catch you doing something other than official classwork or trying to sleep.

If you have an average parent, your life at home will be ruined. Your parents are going to make you feel like shit and get mad at you. You will be punished and have things taken away from you one-by-one until you comply.

However, the thing to remember in all this is that legally, you can keep failing everything. As long as you show up to class, they cannot force you to do anything. They can punish you, threaten you, attack your character, use verbal manipulation, but they cannot force you to do the work. Legally, you are allowed to get zeros in everything.

The system works because no child is brave enough to actually stand up to all these adults. Children imprison themselves.

Would it be worth it to do all this? Hard to say, I've never heard of a child going through with this. Something surprising may happen. If you remain calm and don't let their words affect you, and just take the punishments ... they may eventually negotiate with you.

In the US, school budget is affected by student performance. It's really bad if they have a kid impacting that metric by failing everything. They could get desperate and start grading you based on your own personal endeavors. Who knows...

If you plan on going to some Ivy League school, this information isn't applicable to you (you definitely need to complete high school and such if you do this), and you already know what to do anyway and have a career plan and everything probably. But no one on SS is thinking of this.

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RE: Usefulness of High School and Personal Rebellion

As to the book-reading scenario, it may be helpful in possible 'negotioations' to read something that can be proven educational (i.e. textbook).

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I've seen so much shit done to youth and for some reason, this has made me angrier than I've felt in years. Abuse and oppression happens all over the world. It's a terrible reality of modern society, but we've all accepted that it happens and we're doing what we can to fight it and build a better world.
But this...this mindless, condescending disrespect toward people who have no legal voice with which to defend themselves, this reduction of parents' betrayal into a cheap crack about kids being computer-savvy...it's like watching a surgeon joke about life insurance while his patient bleeds to death on the operating table. The media's job is to protect society from oppression and they've drawn a clear line between the people worth protecting and the people that don't matter. How can they people sleep at night?

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(12-03-2011 07:40 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Solution to all these problems: don't fuck people you can't negotiate with in a civilized manner.
(02-09-2012 02:14 PM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  The only solution is democratic self-paced education where students can excel in what they are good at and work on what their not if necessary, AT THEIR OWN DAMN PACE IN THEIR OWN DAMN WAY.



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Usefulness of High School and Personal Rebellion

Yup, definitely damn hard to stay strong when everyone's against you and trying to manipulate you. It would be interesting though, and sometimes I think it'd be cool if I could go back to school as a student again, knowing everything I know now, and see what I can do.

There was this one dude in my class that didn't really give a damn about anything, and he wasn't afraid to say so. If he didn't do his homework, and the teacher asked why, he was like "I didn't feel like it"... sure, he got bitched at. But I think eventually the teachers got used to him and gave up on getting him to care. Eventually they would just sort of laugh... "yeah, of course you didn't do it... k whatever".

I guess that'd only work with smaller classes where teachers kind of get to know students at least a bit. Shrug

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RE: Usefulness of High School and Personal Rebellion

Sorry for bump, but would just like to share an experience: it took me like ninth grade (we have 12 in Israel, afaik somewhat similar to most modern countries), but I did finally learn not to give a crap. Taught my friends how to play chess with an IPod, which obviously caused bitching from the teachers. Told them I'll continue to do it and they can either tell me to get out or stop caring like any sane person would. Sure I could also say I aced most exams regardless, but I acted like this in lessons which I sucked at too because the small measure of freedom felt too good.

My parents bitched as well, but I told them its not any of their godamn buisiness. When they threatened to disallow acess to the computer or similar threats I told them I'll just drop out entirely if they give me any bullshit. (By then I had many friends and felt, somewhat foolishly perhaps, that staying in touch would be hard if I wasn't coming to school. In retrospect it may have been better if I dropped out).

Point is, as long as your parents are even moderately sane and the school does not employ corporal punishment (as in beating you up), there's a whole bunch of stuff you can do without anyone being able to touch you. Grades matter so very little in this world like the OP said, and hi, if you want to, dropping out may be an even better course.
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Usefulness of High School and Personal Rebellion

I would've dropped out a long time ago(Maybe back in the 19th century). However, I found that, like V from V for Vendetta, that patience leads to better outcomes(Like using the subway train packed with tons of TNT and fireworks to awesomely destroy an entire building while half the country watches).

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Thanks for the information.

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You know, Ivy league was a sport thing.

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(04-04-2013 01:30 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  You know, Ivy league was a sport thing.



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Good to know. Although I do comply just to prevent my parents from withholding privileges, I do have a plan to get around not going to college when I'm older. Even then, I was blocked from certain web sites over the Internet, but not a while ago, I found a way to get around it. Also, I don't listen when everyone says, "you need to go to school to get a good job." As long as I pursue my own interests, I will succeed in life. And even if I do get a job, I won't happen to worry about degrees. F**k all of that.

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(03-06-2013 06:07 AM)Desu Wrote:  If you have an average parent, your life at home will be ruined. Your parents are going to make you feel like shit and get mad at you. You will be punished and have things taken away from you one-by-one until you comply.

The major reason I am still stuck in the average BS.

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Think of it as a jihad(the actual meaning of the word. Not the typical westerner jihad=terrorism sort)

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Desu sure has changed.

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What a useful, constructive bump.
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(09-03-2014 02:18 PM)SirMarty Wrote:  Desu sure has changed.

I highly doubt that.
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