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Abolishment of the public schools
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Abolishment of the public schools

Since public schooling is based on testing, then do you think we should directly fail the tests on purpose? The schools need tests to stay open, they need good scores, so maybe we should fail them on purpose to abolish the schools. Unfortunately, the majority of the people will not do it and you will probably be the only one failing and there wouldn't be an impact.

02-27-2013 01:27 AM
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Abolishment of the public schools

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Abolishment of the public schools

Budget is based on both attendance and performance. Theoretically if a lot of kids started failing classes all over the nation it would simultaneously impact budget and the reputation of schools but practically that would never happen.

Even if organized on a local level, it would be found out by school officials who would then be able to dismiss accusations by politicians and the media and the kids involved would be punished. Grades also impact children's lives far too much. You're asking lots of kids with relatively comfortable lives to sacrifice a stable home life, their reputation with teachers and students, and entry into a university of their choice for a slim chance at enacting a social and educational revolution that they frankly don't care about. No child is going to become a martyr for that, much less hundreds, or thousands.

A different strategy must be employed that involves kids beating public schools at their own game by superceding their own metrics of success and power and happiness. Their strategy for gaining peaceful co-existence with themselves and society is good employment, enriching social activities, involved parents, and self-fulfillment. Their tactic is grades, school activities, awards ceremonies, classmates, the parent-teacher association, and the prospect of a bright future in a great career. Children are forced into the game through coercion (punishment, threats, brainwashing, and state law).

In other words, I think an educational revolution will occur when children employ different tactics to accomplish the public school strategy. A social revolution will occur when children as a social class nullify the public school strategy to achieve happy co-existence with society using a new strategy--living and organizing their lives in a completely novel way with new social institutions.

Rebelling in the sense of ignoring coercion is too much to ask of children. I think the best way is using different tactics to accomplish the strategy of public schools, since public schools justify their strategy with success and happiness, justify their tactics with their strategy, and justify their coercion with their tactics.

For example, you need to become successful and happy and to do that you need a good job. In order to get a good job you need good grades and other items that will impress on your resume. We punish you if you don't play along because we have your best interests at heart, that's why if you don't turn in your homework, we'll give you detention.

If children redefine tactics in order to get a good job in order to be happy, that is an educational revolution. If children redefine strategy in order to be happy, that is a social revolution. Coercion becomes difficult to justify in this situation (perhaps more accurately, nullified) because now children have stepped outside the game of adults, and do not want to participate anymore. In a sense, currently, children aren't even coerced because they willingly play the game, even if they don't feel like waking up for school or doing homework. If they get punished, they show up for detention, if their parents yell at them, they feel bad, if they get grounded, they stay in their room, if they get bad grades, they get frustrated and apply to college anyway, if the law says they have to go to school, they go.

Telling kids to rebel by just failing on purpose is both incomplete and far too big of a step. It won't accomplish much, no one will practically participate, and it plays into the game of adults. It would be more effective to come up with different tactics we can reasonably employ in order beat adults at their own game, leverage small amounts of power to take further small steps toward more power, and eventually leave their game all together.

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RE: Abolishment of the public schools

(02-27-2013 02:06 AM)Desu Wrote:  Budget is based on both attendance and performance. Theoretically if a lot of kids started failing classes all over the nation it would simultaneously impact budget and the reputation of schools but practically that would never happen.

Even if organized on a local level, it would be found out by school officials who would then be able to dismiss accusations by politicians and the media and the kids involved would be punished. Grades also impact children's lives far too much. You're asking lots of kids with relatively comfortable lives to sacrifice a stable home life, their reputation with teachers and students, and entry into a university of their choice for a slim chance at enacting a social and educational revolution that they frankly don't care about. No child is going to become a martyr for that, much less hundreds, or thousands.

A different strategy must be employed that involves kids beating public schools at their own game by superceding their own metrics of success and power and happiness. Their strategy for gaining peaceful co-existence with themselves and society is good employment, enriching social activities, involved parents, and self-fulfillment. Their tactic is grades, school activities, awards ceremonies, classmates, the parent-teacher association, and the prospect of a bright future in a great career. Children are forced into the game through coercion (punishment, threats, brainwashing, and state law).

In other words, I think an educational revolution will occur when children employ different tactics to accomplish the public school strategy. A social revolution will occur when children as a social class nullify the public school strategy to achieve happy co-existence with society using a new strategy--living and organizing their lives in a completely novel way with new social institutions.

Rebelling in the sense of ignoring coercion is too much to ask of children. I think the best way is using different tactics to accomplish the strategy of public schools, since public schools justify their strategy with success and happiness, justify their tactics with their strategy, and justify their coercion with their tactics.

For example, you need to become successful and happy and to do that you need a good job. In order to get a good job you need good grades and other items that will impress on your resume. We punish you if you don't play along because we have your best interests at heart, that's why if you don't turn in your homework, we'll give you detention.

If children redefine tactics in order to get a good job in order to be happy, that is an educational revolution. If children redefine strategy in order to be happy, that is a social revolution. Coercion becomes difficult to justify in this situation (perhaps more accurately, nullified) because now children have stepped outside the game of adults, and do not want to participate anymore. In a sense, currently, children aren't even coerced because they willingly play the game, even if they don't feel like waking up for school or doing homework. If they get punished, they show up for detention, if their parents yell at them, they feel bad, if they get grounded, they stay in their room, if they get bad grades, they get frustrated and apply to college anyway, if the law says they have to go to school, they go.

Telling kids to rebel by just failing on purpose is both incomplete and far too big of a step. It won't accomplish much, no one will practically participate, and it plays into the game of adults. It would be more effective to come up with different tactics we can reasonably employ in order beat adults at their own game, leverage small amounts of power to take further small steps toward more power, and eventually leave their game all together.
If you don't mind, I will be implementing your rebuttal to my anti-school KONY styled video. I think it may serve the video well, and following that I will post a few other alternatives to start this revolution both socially and educationally. I'm just sick of the school laws and sick of the coercion that it's practically a low-level form of slavery.

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