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It's not the education's or the school's fault...

I just learned this from my older brother yesterday. That it's not the school's or education's fault that some people think it's crap, it's the PEOPLE.

I'm not saying people are bad, but education is a good thing, and school provides that, it's just that everyone has a different way of learning things, so how do you expect the education system to fit EVERYONES needs?

For me, the school system is pretty fair and good. I like to learn, and going to school helps me do that. I don't mind work, or the people. The only thing that is really bothering me is the stupid teacher's strike.

So, think about that.

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Shouldn't we strive to have an educational system that is suitable for as many people as possible? We haven't reached this pinnacle by a long shot, with our school's rigid adherence to a mandatory set of courses.

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I would post some really long post, but Im actual feeling really lazy =p.

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Quote:That it's not the school's or education's fault that some people think it's crap, it's the PEOPLE.
Yes. The people who control schools and the structure of 'education'... it's all their fault that schools and 'education' are the way it is. That makes perfect sense.

Education (without quotes) should be about learning. "Education" (of the school variety), seems more about grades and tests and numbers and getting people to behave in certain ways.

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You people are not understanding what I'm saying, all people learn in different ways and school can't provide everyones needs. Get the fuck over it.

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I just logged in just to argue with your logic. You're telling everyone who goes to school which is basically everyone 5-18 to stfu and accept they're going to have to gtf over the education they want because...just because. Trust me I've seen close minded people like you so I'm going to try to keep this conversation from splitting in the most ranting way possible.

EVERY HUMAN IN THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE OF HISTORY IS DIFFERENT!!!! KEEP IN MIND THE FIRST TRY POSTING THIS THIS TROLL COMPUTER HIGHLIGHTED EVERYTHING AND DELETED ALL MY PROGRESS SO STFU BECAUSE THE OLD ONE MIGHT OF BEEN BETTER!! ONE BUILDING COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE ALE TO GIVE YOU EVERY SINGLE EDUCATION YOU'D LIKE WANT AND NEED WHICH IS BULL BECAUSE EVEN WITH AND EDUCATION YOU COULD END UP DYING FOR DUMB CAUSES WITH INFINITY POSSIBILITIES BECAUSE EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS BASED ON A MAYBE!! YOU EVEN BLINKING IS A MAYBE! DEATH IS A MAYBE! ESCALATED QUICKLY HUH!??!?!??! THE ONLY THING EVER MADE BY HUMANS THAT COULD POSSIBLY SUPPORT OR LEAD TO SUPPORTING ALL OUR NEEDS IS THE INTERNET!!! YOU LITERALLY JUST SAID GET OVER 12 WASTED YEARS OF LIFE BECAUSE PEOPLE CHOSE TO MAKE IT LIKE THAT!! I DON'T JUST HATE SCHOOL ANYMORE, I HATE THE GOVERNMENT THAT MADE THE SCHOOL, AND I HATE THE SOCIETY THAT MADE THE GOVERNMENT!!!!!

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Okay, fine. Then just refuse to go to school. See were that takes you.

Oh, and once you are 50 years old and still living with your parents because you do not know anything and cannot get a real carreer because of that... think of me Biggrin

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(02-08-2013 09:21 AM)Twisted Wrote:  You people are not understanding what I'm saying, all people learn in different ways and school can't provide everyones needs. Get the fuck over it.
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Schools CAN provide it, they just need to break away from the rigidity of the typical classroom and grade and standardized test structure. We based our system off of the Prussian system, which was created in the late 1800s
to make good factory workers and obedient citizens. We haven't made much of a change.

The "learning in different ways" idea is unfounded, a good teacher offers information in multiple ways to make sure everyone can have a chance to obtain a decent understanding of the material.

The most basic problem is simple: All of the kids hate education because they see education as the boring taught-to-the-test material we get in school, not what it really is.

If you want to break it down even further, we have two basic subjects which are the roots of education: Math and Reading.
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The basic problem with reading is we are given shit stories from those stupid textbooks and forced to dissect and spit back facts about the story. SO we learn, essentially, that reading = not fun, and bad, and stupid. So when we get to be older, we are bad at it because we hated it as a kid, and we stay bad at it.

The best way to teach vocab and grammar and even analyzing text is just to read a ton of good, fun, interesting books. Reading is a natural, fun way to increase vocab, learn to understand vocab from context clues, understand grammar, and all that other stuff that is taught seperatley just because we see the right way to do things and look up words we don't know and get better without realizing or wasting time on phonics and grammar.

It is NOT just the people, many teachers genuinely try to make it better, and do more good then bad. Its more of an overall system problem.

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I like education...

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Well, congratulations on being in the minority, but are you really going to sit here and tell me that the majority of kids like things that are labeled as "educational"?

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Twisted, I like education too but you know, that's not the same thing as school. You know, school interfering with my education was the reason I didn't like school. . IamNoone, there is a big difference between things labelled as education and things that are education.

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Well I thought that school was stupid too, until I found out HOW to learn from it.

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According to school, they're the education experts though so that shouldn't really be your job...

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What?!

I'm so confused now. I don't even know how to put what my mind is saying into words.

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School says you should shut up and pay attention to them because they're the education experts but they also tell you to take charge of your learning and then get pissy when you do. They can't have it both ways. If they're the education experts, figuring out how to learn from school isn't your job - it's their job to see that you do learn from school and that's not the same thing as teaching you. If they're not educational experts, then they shouldn't get pissy when you do take charge of your learning.

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(02-11-2013 04:37 AM)Twisted Wrote:  Well I thought that school was stupid too, until I found out HOW to learn from it.

What do you mean?

@Trekkie that was my point, kids hate anything that they perceive as educational, but not learning itself.

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derrrrrrrp this whole thread. I think the point Twisted is trying to put across is that if you can't make the education system adapt to the subject the subject must adapt instead. Both parties in this argument are sort of missing the point of each other it seems. I am surprised no one here has brought up homeschooling, or online schooling. You aren't forced to use school specifically. You shouldn't be forced to use it though. This forum has said many times before, throughout the generations, that there will be a rebellion of 13 year olds but has that happened? No. Will it ever happen here? No. You just keep saying it. Do something otherwise there isn't really much point. I hate the one size fits all view too, that's why I originally came here, but I do get a bit of Twisted's point. I suggest one of you runs as a congressman and give speeches at conventions instead of speeches on here. Want to change education? Change it. Personally I am critical of mass homework and I would advocate for UK homeschool reform so people aren't forced into a school to do GCSEs. Those people are homeschooled for a reason.

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I also recommend posting this thread in Scholastic Dementia or as it's now called "Dark n' Edgy" if you want more centrist responses.

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Quote:Well I thought that school was stupid too, until I found out HOW to learn from it.
So how do you learn from it?

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Schools are a corrupt and rotten system from a bygone era and a stain upon the very ideals we're supposed to learn, or so I like to call them.

(02-11-2013 04:37 AM)Twisted Wrote:  Well I thought that school was stupid too, until I found out HOW to learn from it.

This sounds like something from one of those annoying Sunday morning television advertisements.

I like to see it as two different things here. Knowledge through Education is the main idea. However, many people seem to assume School provides Education. This is a flawed idea since schools are just buildings, institutions that provide the means to education, which is supposed to be provided by educators. Ineffective educators mean an ineffective education which means ineffective knowledge which thus leads to an ineffective society.

I had such a debate with my parents, pointing out that school is not the only way I could learn but that there are millions of other ways. I obviously won, but parents being parents denied my claim to victory. Smile

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Everyone loves learning, as long as it is in there interest

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AKA intrinsic motivation, something the current school system enjoys annihilating.

"MONEY FIRST!!!" seems to be more the saying. I'm more leaning towards the Renaissance era beliefs, the polymath, who was knowledgeable in many fields yet due to self-interest in them rather than seeking external rewards

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Indeed. I didn't really care about grades. I was there to learn.

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(02-04-2013 09:59 AM)Twisted Wrote:  I just learned this from my older brother yesterday. That it's not the school's or education's fault that some people think it's crap, it's the PEOPLE.

I'm not saying people are bad, but education is a good thing, and school provides that, it's just that everyone has a different way of learning things, so how do you expect the education system to fit EVERYONES needs?

For me, the school system is pretty fair and good. I like to learn, and going to school helps me do that. I don't mind work, or the people. The only thing that is really bothering me is the stupid teacher's strike.

So, think about that.
You really are a persistent one. You realize you won't get anywhere, no matter how qualitative your argument can get. You haven't even reached that point.

You should have realized coming here to post this nonsense was a mistake. I'm in a pretty bad mood right now, so you should just gtfo because you'll just be a little pro-school pest on these forums.

No one's gonna like you, and all of your pro-school arguments will just be countered.

Either respect our views, or there's the door...
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I don't expect the education system to fit everyone's needs. I expect it to facilitate everyone fitting their own needs. That starts with better awareness of home education being a perfectly legal option. If we know that, then the schools will have to improve, since there's more competition and more consumer education.

As for, 'it can't be done', go talk to these people: http://www.summerhillschool.co.uk/ .

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(02-12-2013 10:39 PM)Thel Vadam Wrote:  
(02-04-2013 09:59 AM)Twisted Wrote:  I just learned this from my older brother yesterday. That it's not the school's or education's fault that some people think it's crap, it's the PEOPLE.

I'm not saying people are bad, but education is a good thing, and school provides that, it's just that everyone has a different way of learning things, so how do you expect the education system to fit EVERYONES needs?

For me, the school system is pretty fair and good. I like to learn, and going to school helps me do that. I don't mind work, or the people. The only thing that is really bothering me is the stupid teacher's strike.

So, think about that.
You really are a persistent one. You realize you won't get anywhere, no matter how qualitative your argument can get. You haven't even reached that point.

You should have realized coming here to post this nonsense was a mistake. I'm in a pretty bad mood right now, so you should just gtfo because you'll just be a little pro-school pest on these forums.

No one's gonna like you, and all of your pro-school arguments will just be countered.

Either respect our views, or there's the door...
—and you can GTFO.

Wait, you're telling me to respect YOUR views when you are the one telling me to "gtfo" and that I'm a "pest"?

I never said I was pro-school. I said I was pro-learning and education. And that sometimes you have to deal with certain things in life.

No one knows what they are here for exactly, or why life even exists. But I can tell you right now it's not about complaining or hating.

If you were to never deal with anything "bad" in your childhood, do you realize how fucked you would be in the future?

Overall, I'm just happy I don't live in the horrible United States, or raised by two idiots.

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It's not the education's or the school's fault...

I'd say I prefer being in the US vs my own country(not that it's a bad country but the education system relies more on students taking a test at the end of their high school and ranks them by the score to decide which occupations they can study for and which schools they can attend)

But then again, I'm not in much agreeance with the way most public schools in America work.

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(06-14-2013 08:02 AM)Potato Wrote:  watch the fuq out, we've got an "intellectual" over here.

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RE: It's not the education's or the school's fault...

(02-12-2013 08:41 AM)brainiac3397 Wrote:  Schools are a corrupt and rotten system from a bygone era and a stain upon the very ideals we're supposed to learn, or so I like to call them.

(02-11-2013 04:37 AM)Twisted Wrote:  Well I thought that school was stupid too, until I found out HOW to learn from it.

This sounds like something from one of those annoying Sunday morning television advertisements.

I like to see it as two different things here. Knowledge through Education is the main idea. However, many people seem to assume School provides Education. This is a flawed idea since schools are just buildings, institutions that provide the means to education, which is supposed to be provided by educators. Ineffective educators mean an ineffective education which means ineffective knowledge which thus leads to an ineffective society.

I had such a debate with my parents, pointing out that school is not the only way I could learn but that there are millions of other ways. I obviously won, but parents being parents denied my claim to victory. Smile
You never actually answered lol.

You forgot the second thing.

The purpose of life is a life with a purpose
So I’d rather die for a cause than live a life that is worthless
I don’t need the circus or the day of national observance
I need you to think for you and stop being a servant
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RE: It's not the education's or the school's fault...

Shh...It was supposed to remain an open-secret.Mwahaha

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