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RE: It's not the education's or the school's fault...

(02-13-2013 06:17 AM)Twisted Wrote:  
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(02-04-2013 09:59 AM)Twisted Wrote:  I just learned this from my older brother yesterday. That it's not the school's or education's fault that some people think it's crap, it's the PEOPLE.

I'm not saying people are bad, but education is a good thing, and school provides that, it's just that everyone has a different way of learning things, so how do you expect the education system to fit EVERYONES needs?

For me, the school system is pretty fair and good. I like to learn, and going to school helps me do that. I don't mind work, or the people. The only thing that is really bothering me is the stupid teacher's strike.

So, think about that.
You really are a persistent one. You realize you won't get anywhere, no matter how qualitative your argument can get. You haven't even reached that point.

You should have realized coming here to post this nonsense was a mistake. I'm in a pretty bad mood right now, so you should just gtfo because you'll just be a little pro-school pest on these forums.

No one's gonna like you, and all of your pro-school arguments will just be countered.

Either respect our views, or there's the door...
—and you can GTFO.

Wait, you're telling me to respect YOUR views when you are the one telling me to "gtfo" and that I'm a "pest"?

I never said I was pro-school. I said I was pro-learning and education. And that sometimes you have to deal with certain things in life.

No one knows what they are here for exactly, or why life even exists. But I can tell you right now it's not about complaining or hating.

If you were to never deal with anything "bad" in your childhood, do you realize how fucked you would be in the future?

Overall, I'm just happy I don't live in the horrible United States, or raised by two idiots.
I say respect them OR gtfo. Some of the pro-schoolers really just tick me off. Most of their views disgust me. Just from the way you were speaking I believed you were pro-school, but you know the rest of us here don't mind an education. We're all pro-learning/pro-education, but being coerced by the government's laws to go to school is just something I just won't simply deal with.

I made a vow to take action to get the justice I and other kids deserve against the public school institutions. My life has been hell these past 2 years because of school. Before it was kind of tolerable, but I still hated school with passion. This website only justified my feelings towards such an institution. I can't imagine how my life would have been if I found this website while I was still in middle school.

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I still wanna know how you learn from school. If you're going to say that school is fine as long as you know how to learn from it, you should at least tell everyone here how you've managed to achieve that.

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Me too, Soul, me too.

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You could learn to hate school? That's a type of learning,no?

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True, but I don't think that's what Twisted meant.

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Neither do I.

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Well, I guess it's just my teacher. She our homeroom, science, math, LA, social studies, media, and drama teacher. She doesn't just teach us stuff, but she teaches how it works and explains throughly when we need it.
Our class will start with going over our math problems, then end talking about life in general.
You could bring up something completely random that you want to know more about, and she will explain it using examples, evidence, and connections.
She teaches us how to be better people, encourages us in our choices, and trys her hardest to motivate us.

God damn my teacher is awesome.

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That's brilliant, twisted. It's just that you seem to assume that everyone had that experience.

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ilear othig fro shool ad sorry y keyoard is roke

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Twisted, that teacher of yours is how all teachers should be. If all teachers were like that, most people would probably enjoy school and learn a lot from it, and this site wouldn't exist.

But, unfortunately, teachers like yours are a minority, and no amount of qualifications and training will make any random teacher turn out that way. It's a personality thing.

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Exactly, soul.

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Oh, well that's poopy :(

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(02-18-2013 01:28 AM)Twisted Wrote:  Oh, well that's poopy :(
I have to vouch for Soul on this. This is a super minority thing. In 8th grade, the only thing I really liked about school was my team of teachers. All of them from the core subjects were really nice and very helpful. That, and having a great P.E. teacher in 9th grade, are my only experiences of encountering such empowering teachers. Smile

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YOU MEAN HIGH SCHOOL WILL SUCK?!

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That's quite possible.

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(02-19-2013 01:21 AM)Twisted Wrote:  YOU MEAN HIGH SCHOOL WILL SUCK?!
SoulRiser is right. It most likely will, but you never really know. Just don't count on having it good every year or two. It's very rare.

I also apologize for coming off to blunt and rude. Razz

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I hated 10th grade, because my math teacher(who was also our guidance counselor) thought his methods were right and everyone else was wrong. I liked the other years...

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Well thanks for that.

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I get it. You're saying that people are at fault because no system could adequately convince all of them to learn new things and become intelligent, common-sense-loving members of society. Because man is stupid, man needs to learn.

You're right on one point - no system could possibly turn a bunch of idiots into a bunch of geniuses. That's why I'm opposed to a system claiming it can not only do that, but also denying people alternatives to itself.

The public school system simply doesn't fulfill its intended purpose because it can't. It must be destroyed and replaced with various alternatives - if there are enough non-mandatory means of receiving an education, then there would be very little excuse for being stupid.

Between being self-taught, taught by parents, taught by a charter school, taught by businesses posing as schools, or taught by online methods, I pity any fool that has all of those options but still cannot learn.

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Isn't catholic school the same as public school just with a bunch of prayers and shit added?

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What about oppressive administration violating students civil rights? You've got strict dress code being an infringement of freedom of expression. You've got locker and person searches for "safety" that make us all feel like criminals being an infringement of privacy. You've got countless unjust actions that have been taken, even in the schools I've gone through alone, by administrative authority figures in school. I agree with you in some aspects. Teachers can in many cases be great people and can even teach purposeful knowledge. The majority of teachers though, unfortunately, conform to an automated "lesson plan". The thing is that the foundation of education itself is what is what holds the most wrong. The fault goes to whoever keeps the education machine running to mold more and more minds with the same standardized knowledge without any consideration for the individual and their freedom. Education should definitely not be compulsory, because it should not control and determine your quality of life in society based on what you are as a statistic (grades).
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Teachers are unfortunately pumped out of "factories" that teach people how to teach in the way they want them to. Just as how schools crush student creativity, these "factories" destroy the main talent necessary for a successful teacher, which is inner motivation to teach and a willingness to connect with students on the learning and share this motivation. You can not teach a person this talent just as you can't teach imagination or creativity. Teachers are practically taught to treat higher-grade students as those motivated to learn(when they may simply be motivated to get high grades, be distinguished or well-known or just like to perfectly obey what is told without thought) and treat those with lower-grades as lacking capacity to learn or as distressed students who are in need of "help".

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(02-20-2013 12:43 PM)Twisted Wrote:  Isn't catholic school the same as public school just with a bunch of prayers and shit added?
Pretty much, but what does that have to do with anything?

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(02-20-2013 12:43 PM)Twisted Wrote:  Isn't catholic school the same as public school just with a bunch of prayers and shit added?
Pretty much, but what does that have to do with anything?

Might be because of the charter school reference above. Either that or Twisted has nothing left to make a legit rebuttal with

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