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Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Wouldn't Allow Atheists To Graduate HS
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Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Wouldn't Allow Atheists To Graduate HS

Okay, I think that the article title goes a little overboard in order to garner attention, since almost everybody will just do the pledge anyway. It's still wrong on so many levels however to even have a mandatory pledge in order to graduate, and to include the mention of a god in it which the people required to take the pledge may or may not believe in. It serves no purpose but to create another hurdle in the process of graduation. Can we focus on the education and not on adding unnecessary bullshit please?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyath...gh-school/

Quote:A group of Arizona politicians — all Republicans, of course — have proposed a law (House Bill 2467) requiring public high school students to recite the following oath in order to graduate:

I, _______, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God.

To quote Comedy Central’s Ilya Gerner: “Nothing says ‘I take this obligation freely’ quite like a state law that withholds your diploma unless you swear an oath.”

Kevin Bondelli adds:
… graduating high school is not the same thing as voluntarily accepting the responsibility of a public office or admission to the legal bar. A high school diploma is, with extremely few exceptions, required to have a chance to live above the poverty level. It is the culmination of an education that up until that point was compulsory.
It’s bad enough the Republicans are demanding loyalty of the kind normally reserved for members of Congress and beyond — but there’s also no way I would say those last four words, and the current text of the legislation does not allow for any alternatives.

In other words, if this bill were to become a law, atheists would either not be allowed to graduate… or they would be forced to lie so they could graduate. Neither option is acceptable.

Mike Sunnucks of the Phoenix Business Journal points out another problem:
The Arizona bill could also face legal challenges if it is approved.
Jehovah’s witnesses, some Muslims and pacifist Quakers have in the past challenged loyalty oaths imposed by the federal government and other agencies, saying they conflict with their beliefs and religious professions. Similarly, some Arizona students could challenge the proposed high school oath as a violation of their religious liberties and freedom of expression.

This bill is the work of Representatives Bob Thorpe, Sonny Borrelli, Carl Seel, T.J. Shope, Jeff Dial, David Livingston, Chester Crandell, and Steve Smith.

Smith and Shope have also introduced legislation demanding that all students in grades 1-12 recite the Pledge of Allegiance (with “Under God”) every day. At least in that bill, students can get out of saying it with their parents’ permission.

No such exemption exists in the Loyalty Oath.

Keep in mind that in both cases, the bills do not help children get a better education. That’s the saddest thing about all this. The people who are in charge of fixing the education crisis are proposing solutions that would only waste more classroom time and exclude many students from graduating despite fulfilling their current requirements.

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Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Wouldn't Allow Atheists To Graduate High School

I wonder if it's too late to gather support for the Libertarian Party...

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RE: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Wouldn't Allow Atheists To Graduate High

I'm pretty sure his proposition isn't going to get anywhere...

If it does than I feel bad for all the atheists in arizona lol

Also if you try to reply to this thread the RE: makes it too long to post. I got an error saying something like "The subject is too long. Please enter a subject shorter than 85 characters (currently 89)."

I thought we fixed this already lol

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Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Wouldn't Allow Atheists To Graduate High School

lol, they have nothing better to do, right? Nothing needs fixing, the schools are working 100% correctly, nobody ever gets hurt, everything is perfect, that's why they have time for this... oh, wait...

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RE: Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Wouldn't Allow Atheists To Graduate HS

Edited title to make it more reply friendly.

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