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Guys...the law is already on our side.
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Guys...the law is already on our side.

The Education Acts in England and America can be summed up as 'Education is compulsory...school isn't.'

For England, technically, we need do NOTHING if our children have never been in school. Also, if our children have been in mainstream school, a formal letter to the headteacher should suffice. For special schools, a formal letter to school, the L.A, and a copy of each other's should suffice, as long as the letter includes how the parent intends to meet the special needs of the child. However, L.E.A.s have a tendency to not stick to the law where home education is concerned.

For America, homeschool is legal in all 50 states, it's just easier in some than in others due to variation in how stringent or not the requirements are.

Thus, our priorities for those of us who wish to continue the fight should be, in no particular order:

1)Ensure that relevant school and government correspondence mentions that home education is a perfectly legal option.

2) Ensure the de facto situation matches the de jure situation. This includes education concerns and child welfare concerns not being conflated.

3)Ensure red homeschooling states back off. These states force all the disadvantages of school to be replicated.

4) Ensure that orange states don't become red states, either in law or in practice.

5)Ensure that yellow states don't become orange states, either in law or practice.

6)Ensure that green states don't become yellow states, either in law or practice.


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I don't want education to be compulsory either...
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(01-13-2013 05:45 AM)LiptomaticMate Wrote:  I don't want education to be compulsory either...

If you know how to game the system though....

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I don't honestly care about education and not about school either. If I become intelligent through my activities I like, call me educated, but it was not my purpose. I just want to do stuff I like and enjoy.
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(01-13-2013 09:06 AM)LiptomaticMate Wrote:  I don't honestly care about education and not about school either. If I become intelligent through my activities I like, call me educated, but it was not my purpose. I just want to do stuff I like and enjoy.

See, the law requires you to be educated somehow, so again, it's just a case of recording your intelligence gain from stuff you did for fun.

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Yeah, homeschooling is legal in most places... But that doesn't help kids whose parents refuse to consider any alternatives... How can we help them?

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Slavery is illegal in both of those countries. Ownership of another human being is slavery. Parents claim ownership of their children - is that not illegal in both countries?

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(01-13-2013 09:25 AM)Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 09:06 AM)LiptomaticMate Wrote:  I don't honestly care about education and not about school either. If I become intelligent through my activities I like, call me educated, but it was not my purpose. I just want to do stuff I like and enjoy.

See, the law requires you to be educated somehow, so again, it's just a case of recording your intelligence gain from stuff you did for fun.

And with that saying you have the same thoughts as me or?...not?
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(01-13-2013 09:51 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Yeah, homeschooling is legal in most places... But that doesn't help kids whose parents refuse to consider any alternatives... How can we help them?

A lot of parents refuse to because they think that school is compulsory - raising awareness that home education is legal should help a fair bit.

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(01-13-2013 10:41 AM)Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 09:51 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Yeah, homeschooling is legal in most places... But that doesn't help kids whose parents refuse to consider any alternatives... How can we help them?

A lot of parents refuse to because they think that school is compulsory - raising awareness that home education is legal should help a fair bit.
Well, the parent rightly assumes that they'd have to contribute time they don't have to teaching their child. Parents work full times jobs that they can't quit.

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"Can't" is such a strong word.

"Not willing to try to find alternative sources of income" is probably more accurate. There are ways to work from home and stuff. If they thought it was really important, they'd consider it.

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(01-13-2013 10:54 AM)Wes Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 10:41 AM)Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 09:51 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Yeah, homeschooling is legal in most places... But that doesn't help kids whose parents refuse to consider any alternatives... How can we help them?

A lot of parents refuse to because they think that school is compulsory - raising awareness that home education is legal should help a fair bit.
Well, the parent rightly assumes that they'd have to contribute time they don't have to teaching their child. Parents work full times jobs that they can't quit.

Depends how old the child is, surely? And legalities regarding when your child can be left home alone.

Soul, perhaps, we list alternative sources of income...then it's just a matter of trying it.

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(01-13-2013 11:56 PM)Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 10:54 AM)Wes Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 10:41 AM)Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 09:51 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Yeah, homeschooling is legal in most places... But that doesn't help kids whose parents refuse to consider any alternatives... How can we help them?

A lot of parents refuse to because they think that school is compulsory - raising awareness that home education is legal should help a fair bit.
Well, the parent rightly assumes that they'd have to contribute time they don't have to teaching their child. Parents work full times jobs that they can't quit.

Depends how old the child is, surely? And legalities regarding when your child can be left home alone.

Soul, perhaps, we list alternative sources of income...then it's just a matter of trying it.

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Alternative sources of income? Are honestly going to suggest that most people can actually tap into these revenue streams? Do you expect parents to change their employment or quit altogether and buy into some "alternative source of income?"

Also, homeschooling is generally done at the lower grade levels anyway when kids need more attention, have to be watched all the time. A lot of homeschooled kids end up going to a traditional school for the last few years of their schooling. Even if the older kids are being homeschooled, they still need parental supervision to keep them on track. Homeschooling is a full time job for a parent.

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(01-14-2013 07:24 AM)Wes Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 11:56 PM)Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 10:54 AM)Wes Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 10:41 AM)Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 09:51 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Yeah, homeschooling is legal in most places... But that doesn't help kids whose parents refuse to consider any alternatives... How can we help them?

A lot of parents refuse to because they think that school is compulsory - raising awareness that home education is legal should help a fair bit.
Well, the parent rightly assumes that they'd have to contribute time they don't have to teaching their child. Parents work full times jobs that they can't quit.

Depends how old the child is, surely? And legalities regarding when your child can be left home alone.

Soul, perhaps, we list alternative sources of income...then it's just a matter of trying it.

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Alternative sources of income? Are honestly going to suggest that most people can actually tap into these revenue streams? Do you expect parents to change their employment or quit altogether and buy into some "alternative source of income?"

Also, homeschooling is generally done at the lower grade levels anyway when kids need more attention, have to be watched all the time. A lot of homeschooled kids end up going to a traditional school for the last few years of their schooling. Even if the older kids are being homeschooled, they still need parental supervision to keep them on track. Homeschooling is a full time job for a parent.

Umm...not necessarily. But we do need to conquer brainwashing...it's not necessarily expected to get everyone on board...one family is enough.

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I actually believe that anyone who has kids should make their kids their #1 priority. So, if school isn't working for them, they should find some way to do something that works better, even if that means changing jobs and going out of their comfort zones and whatever.

Anyone who isn't willing to do that, should have thought of that before they had kids. And yeah, very few people think of that.

IMO all the "suck it up and deal with it" comments should be directed at parents, not their kids.

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(01-14-2013 07:50 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I actually believe that anyone who has kids should make their kids their #1 priority. So, if school isn't working for them, they should find some way to do something that works better, even if that means changing jobs and going out of their comfort zones and whatever.

Anyone who isn't willing to do that, should have thought of that before they had kids. And yeah, very few people think of that.

IMO all the "suck it up and deal with it" comments should be directed at parents, not their kids.

But that's not the way it works in the real world. Some parents might feel that they aren't smart enough to teach their children a lot of the academic content taught in school. They can do a better job by teaching their kids basic morals and being a provider. Other parents might not have the luxury of even thinking about changing jobs, or any job they would take that would provide them enough time to homeschool, at least with the traditional method, would not pay enough to support their current standard of living.

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Thinking is not a luxury... anyone can do it at any time. Thinking of doing something is the first step towards doing it... yes I'm quite aware many people don't think they can teach their kids. Luckily, they don't need to.. . hello internet. Smile

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(01-14-2013 07:50 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  I actually believe that anyone who has kids should make their kids their #1 priority. So, if school isn't working for them, they should find some way to do something that works better, even if that means changing jobs and going out of their comfort zones and whatever.

Anyone who isn't willing to do that, should have thought of that before they had kids. And yeah, very few people think of that.

IMO all the "suck it up and deal with it" comments should be directed at parents, not their kids.

Seriously...how do I attach things again?

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Attach what where? Attachments to posts? I think that's disabled. What do you want to attach?

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(01-22-2013 05:08 PM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Attach what where? Attachments to posts? I think that's disabled. What do you want to attach?

Yup....attachments to post. I made a quick word document and wanted to show you guys is all.

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