Being a hater of school is VERY hard

[LiptomaticMate]

Hi people, I don't know weather you care about this or not, but I feel I have to get it out of me.
Lately, after the 1 week pro school experiment, maybe because of the contrasts - people and family generally have been both resistant and given me unpleasant situations to deal with.

Being a School Survival woman or man is MUCH harder than actually working with school stuff 24/7.
I myself go through a lot of mental stress because of all the hatred, and it's very difficult sometimes to keep the stand.
Friends will reject and disagree with you, even with humiliation is some cases, families will see you as wrong and immature, they will use emotions to try to affect you - and it's nearly impossible to not care 100%, teachers look upon you as dumb/low-cast/parasite, it's not healthy for our sanity to go to school.

All this has brought me sadness in the mornings, and periods of "a variation of depression". Sometimes I just want to be alone with a book, only thinking about the text and relaxing - enjoying.

As mentioned, if some of you out there also feel like this, please reply or post or start and new thread if you want to.
Remember that there are others who also struggle, if I'm not the only one...

So many plans, so much school, job obligations, society stuff, expectations. If anyone here also has any idea on a job which pays the most, requires the least amount of study time, and doesn't require heavenly grades, please recommend anything.

People..

[LiptomaticMate]

I would also like to add that not all skills/knowledge/intelligence/creativity can be written down and be given a grade. I guess that many people on this forum have a lot of potential, but which not necessary can be written down in school and given a grade.

[TheCancer]

That's an interesting post that brings up an important question in life: When does having the courage of my convictions become too much of a burden? You'll have to continue making that decision everyday for the rest of your life. If you're prone to radical ideas or just thinking for yourself, it will naturally be more difficult to stand by your beliefs. By going along with the group you're immediately rewarded because people want to have what they already believe reinforced. People tend to reward conformity like there's some kind of deep wisdom to it. So it probably sounds like I'm going to say, 'Be brave and stand up for what you believe.' But real life is too complicated for things to always be that simple. To get by sometimes you have to put your swords away. There's a time and a place for certain discussions. You don't have to knock yourself out being on a 24/7 mission. People who adopt an idealogy and harp it all the time drive everyone nuts. I see this with Christians, atheists, anarchists, right-wingers and so on. Sometimes people need the intellectual flexibility to adapt to the situation they're in and realize that their individual beliefs are either inapplicable or so distant to from the current reality that they've become irrelevant. At other times, it's worth standing up for your cause. In my case, I'm a teacher but I'm against compulsory education. Obviously, I can't harp on my beliefs during every staff meeting or I would get fired. However, when certain especially rebelious students become an issue I can and do point out that they have not chosen school and we may be the ones failing by forcing their presence and not providing an environment where they can succeed. By using discretion I'm able to promote leniency instead of just being considered dogmatic. But on the other hand you probably don't want to be a sell-out! I'm not saying you shouldn't stand up for what you believe just that you don't HAVE to be beholden to your beliefs all the time. You can take life case-by-case at your convenience if you so choose. Sometimes it's best to put yourself before your ideas and sometimes it isn't. Good luck!

[SoulRiser]

I know what you mean. This is the reason I rarely tell people what I think about things.... I like to avoid drama. And people can be so over-dramatic about things...

So yeah, I guess you could keep it on a need-to-know basis?

[The Shadowman]

(11-14-2012 06:10 PM)LiptomaticMate Wrote:  Hi people, I don't know weather you care about this or not, but I feel I have to get it out of me.
Lately, after the 1 week pro school experiment, maybe because of the contrasts - people and family generally have been both resistant and given me unpleasant situations to deal with.

Being a School Survival woman or man is MUCH harder than actually working with school stuff 24/7.
I myself go through a lot of mental stress because of all the hatred, and it's very difficult sometimes to keep the stand.
Friends will reject and disagree with you, even with humiliation is some cases, families will see you as wrong and immature, they will use emotions to try to affect you - and it's nearly impossible to not care 100%, teachers look upon you as dumb/low-cast/parasite, it's not healthy for our sanity to go to school.

All this has brought me sadness in the mornings, and periods of "a variation of depression". Sometimes I just want to be alone with a book, only thinking about the text and relaxing - enjoying.

As mentioned, if some of you out there also feel like this, please reply or post or start and new thread if you want to.
Remember that there are others who also struggle, if I'm not the only one...

So many plans, so much school, job obligations, society stuff, expectations. If anyone here also has any idea on a job which pays the most, requires the least amount of study time, and doesn't require heavenly grades, please recommend anything.

People..

I feel just like you on a lot of school mornings
The important thing to remember, is that you do not give up. Do not give up, keep your convictions, and school will never get the better of you.

[LiptomaticMate]

(11-14-2012 10:26 PM)TheCancer Wrote:  That's an interesting post that brings up an important question in life: When does having the courage of my convictions become too much of a burden? You'll have to continue making that decision everyday for the rest of your life. If you're prone to radical ideas or just thinking for yourself, it will naturally be more difficult to stand by your beliefs. By going along with the group you're immediately rewarded because people want to have what they already believe reinforced. People tend to reward conformity like there's some kind of deep wisdom to it. So it probably sounds like I'm going to say, 'Be brave and stand up for what you believe.' But real life is too complicated for things to always be that simple. To get by sometimes you have to put your swords away. There's a time and a place for certain discussions. You don't have to knock yourself out being on a 24/7 mission. People who adopt an idealogy and harp it all the time drive everyone nuts. I see this with Christians, atheists, anarchists, right-wingers and so on. Sometimes people need the intellectual flexibility to adapt to the situation they're in and realize that their individual beliefs are either inapplicable or so distant to from the current reality that they've become irrelevant. At other times, it's worth standing up for your cause. In my case, I'm a teacher but I'm against compulsory education. Obviously, I can't harp on my beliefs during every staff meeting or I would get fired. However, when certain especially rebelious students become an issue I can and do point out that they have not chosen school and we may be the ones failing by forcing their presence and not providing an environment where they can succeed. By using discretion I'm able to promote leniency instead of just being considered dogmatic. But on the other hand you probably don't want to be a sell-out! I'm not saying you shouldn't stand up for what you believe just that you don't HAVE to be beholden to your beliefs all the time. You can take life case-by-case at your convenience if you so choose. Sometimes it's best to put yourself before your ideas and sometimes it isn't. Good luck!

I feel quite so impressed that you are teacher Haven't read or heard about such a case never before, that's why it makes it even more uplifting. So in some way you are saying that sometimes putting beliefs and opinions behind oneself is better thus to avoid mental stress. While sometimes it's best to tell people what you think, to maybe maintain a healthy sanity? If I understood correctly?

(11-15-2012 02:06 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  
I know what you mean. This is the reason I rarely tell people what I think about things.... I like to avoid drama. And people can be so over-dramatic about things...

So yeah, I guess you could keep it on a need-to-know basis?

I've started to notice it myself. Keeping opinions about my school hatred to myself seems to become a better idea each day that passes. At first - the first month of school I was very open telling people about my disliking attitude towards school. However, there were periods when I wasn't telling people about the school hate stuff, and quite quickly mental strain got, obviously reduced.
Now, though I think I'll keep beliefs and such etceteral stuff mostly to myself. It'll save me time, resistance, drama, and most of the unpleasant situations which the school hatred brings me.
What did you mean by "So yeah, I guess you could keep it on a need-to-know basis?"?
I'm glad that I know a place where I can be understood, where people get me

(11-15-2012 03:03 AM)The Shadowman Wrote:  

(11-14-2012 06:10 PM)LiptomaticMate Wrote:  Hi people, I don't know weather you care about this or not, but I feel I have to get it out of me.
Lately, after the 1 week pro school experiment, maybe because of the contrasts - people and family generally have been both resistant and given me unpleasant situations to deal with.

Being a School Survival woman or man is MUCH harder than actually working with school stuff 24/7.
I myself go through a lot of mental stress because of all the hatred, and it's very difficult sometimes to keep the stand.
Friends will reject and disagree with you, even with humiliation is some cases, families will see you as wrong and immature, they will use emotions to try to affect you - and it's nearly impossible to not care 100%, teachers look upon you as dumb/low-cast/parasite, it's not healthy for our sanity to go to school.

All this has brought me sadness in the mornings, and periods of "a variation of depression". Sometimes I just want to be alone with a book, only thinking about the text and relaxing - enjoying.

As mentioned, if some of you out there also feel like this, please reply or post or start and new thread if you want to.
Remember that there are others who also struggle, if I'm not the only one...

So many plans, so much school, job obligations, society stuff, expectations. If anyone here also has any idea on a job which pays the most, requires the least amount of study time, and doesn't require heavenly grades, please recommend anything.

People..

I feel just like you on a lot of school mornings
The important thing to remember, is that you do not give up. Do not give up, keep your convictions, and school will never get the better of you.

Some periods <<giving up>> is tempting, but I kind of know that will only be a temporary fix, because quite shortly after such an action my sanity will start playing tricks on me, and I will start wanting to change back to <<hater-of-school>>. Like a instant circle it will last forever.
I haven't given up, and I hope I never will
"...and school will never get the better of you."? Sorry, I didn't interpret what you meant with that sentence

[SoulRiser]

Quote:What did you mean by "So yeah, I guess you could keep it on a need-to-know basis?"?

Pretty much what you said... don't tell people unless it's necessary for whatever reason.

[Ky]

Hey, the anti-school life isn't for everyone. Resisting conformity and holding authority at bay are not easy tasks.

You honestly have to believe you're doing the world a service in order to carry on. If this were all about me, I'd have given up.

[TheCancer]

"impressed that you are teacher Haven't read or heard about such a case never before, that's why it makes it even more uplifting. So in some way you are saying that sometimes putting beliefs and opinions behind oneself is better thus to avoid mental stress. While sometimes it's best to tell people what you think, to maybe maintain a healthy sanity? If I understood correctly?"

Thanks for the kind words. I don't want you to get in trouble but that's about the size of what I want to say. One point that I would like to reemphasize is that you don't have to feel like you're stuck in any certain belief system. What one may call hypocrisy might better be looked at as being complicated in an intelligent way. I had some radical friends in college and one of the most liberating things anyone of them ever taught me was that fear of hypocrisy can be a kind of shallowness. People can say oh you believe this and then you say you believe that and then you do the other. I say so what? My mind is complicated enough to see the merit in two seemingly contradictory ideas and believing in both AND rejecting both all at the same time. In other words, I'm not going to allow myself to be trapped into one way of seeing things. Fear of hipocrisy is for simpletons.

[AtheistLGBTQAnarchist]

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE THINK TELLING YOUR BELIEFS WOULD INSTANTLY MAKE IT A HAPPY EVER AFTER WITH YOUR PEOPLE YOU KNOW!?!

[LiptomaticMate]

I think that either I or you have misunderstood something here AmericanAtheistAnarchist..

[Potato]

anyone who is pro-compulsory-schooling can go die in a fire for all the f*cks i give.

[IamNoone]

(11-14-2012 10:26 PM)TheCancer Wrote:  That's an interesting post that brings up an important question in life: When does having the courage of my convictions become too much of a burden? You'll have to continue making that decision everyday for the rest of your life. If you're prone to radical ideas or just thinking for yourself, it will naturally be more difficult to stand by your beliefs. By going along with the group you're immediately rewarded because people want to have what they already believe reinforced. People tend to reward conformity like there's some kind of deep wisdom to it. So it probably sounds like I'm going to say, 'Be brave and stand up for what you believe.' But real life is too complicated for things to always be that simple. To get by sometimes you have to put your swords away. There's a time and a place for certain discussions. You don't have to knock yourself out being on a 24/7 mission. People who adopt an idealogy and harp it all the time drive everyone nuts. I see this with Christians, atheists, anarchists, right-wingers and so on. Sometimes people need the intellectual flexibility to adapt to the situation they're in and realize that their individual beliefs are either inapplicable or so distant to from the current reality that they've become irrelevant. At other times, it's worth standing up for your cause. In my case, I'm a teacher but I'm against compulsory education. Obviously, I can't harp on my beliefs during every staff meeting or I would get fired. However, when certain especially rebelious students become an issue I can and do point out that they have not chosen school and we may be the ones failing by forcing their presence and not providing an environment where they can succeed. By using discretion I'm able to promote leniency instead of just being considered dogmatic. But on the other hand you probably don't want to be a sell-out! I'm not saying you shouldn't stand up for what you believe just that you don't HAVE to be beholden to your beliefs all the time. You can take life case-by-case at your convenience if you so choose. Sometimes it's best to put yourself before your ideas and sometimes it isn't. Good luck!

Well, that explains the nickname. Great advice, by the way, you need to establish your intelligence with the teacher before introducing a radical idea like our's is.

[CinnamonSynonym]

I don't think I've told anyone that is personally connected to me about my school views. I even have a few groups that I like to keep separate, behavior-wise. Some might think of that as bad because of the whole 'be yourself' thing, but in reality, I just take the path of least resistance. Like SoulRiser said, I don't like drama, and usually strive to avoid it. This might be the root cause of my lack of boldness, and it shows up in my behavior randomly. If I ask someone a question, and they hear or interpret it wrong, I'll just say "Okay" and ask someone else. One of my best friends doesn't like school, but he doesn't really hate it, so to speak. I try not to let that stop me from socializing with him because he's a good person, and fun to be around. The same applies for religion. I have never really told anyone that I'm atheistic. In my town, going to church on Sundays is almost as necessary as going to school. So I don't tell anyone that I don't, and everyone acts normal around me. As much as I would like to be able to be myself everywhere, all the time, I'm afraid of the drama.

Back to the original topic: I too find it difficult to be anti-school. However, it provides a basis for me to start my life on. I can do research on what I want to do when I need to support myself and maybe a family, instead of having useless topics shoved down my throat and doing tedium 9 hours a day, just to throw it away* at the end of the year. Besides that, it's the thought that counts. Sure, it may be bad now, but as far as I can tell, it's been getting worse each year. This means that either a) Eventually anti-school will be easier than (pro-)school, or b) We can convince someone of importance that this is not the way to go about educating children. We can save our children from this monster that is the school system. That leaves emotional stress, which is avoided mostly by simply not telling my un-anti-school friends that I'm anti-school and failing 2 classes. However, my parents are informed by an online report-card type thing called Infinite Campus, so they always know my grades for every assignment in every class. They, of course tell their friends and family (_my_ family), who, consequently, always treat me like shit. My grandma thinks I sit on my computer playing games all day, when I've probably gotten more done each day than my family and her combined.

So yes, it is pretty bad. But it could be worse. If we stand up for our cause, put aside our drama-phobic tendencies, make a (inter)national statement, we can not only stop it from getting worse, but maybe even make it better.

Or at least that's how _I_ justify it.

*Or burn it. Me and my not-quite-anti-school buddies have this annual tradition where we go out and burn all of our schoolwork for the previous year about a week before school starts. And make s'mores. And this year we watched "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen", "Get Smart" Season 4, and ate chocolate animal crackers. Just, in my opinion, the best way to spend one of the last days you have left before school starts again.

[LiptomaticMate]

Cool Folks - Cool.
I think it as well is more fun being anononuymus with a cause than sharing it with everyone and being undermined, humiliated and talked badly to.
I don't know where I've heard it from, but some places on this planet or maybe actually in a movie I heard of some people who drove out onto a pond a threw all there books to the bottom of the sea. Quite fun! I think they also packed them in a plastic bag. Ho Ho Ho Ho :crazy:
DoA, Potato and AmericanAthistAnarchist, try being more supportive in this thread, I know what you are saying... This is not the right thread though. This is a more of a kind of "seek some rehab".

[LiptomaticMate]

(11-15-2012 10:24 AM)TheCancer Wrote:  "impressed that you are teacher Haven't read or heard about such a case never before, that's why it makes it even more uplifting. So in some way you are saying that sometimes putting beliefs and opinions behind oneself is better thus to avoid mental stress. While sometimes it's best to tell people what you think, to maybe maintain a healthy sanity? If I understood correctly?"

Thanks for the kind words. I don't want you to get in trouble but that's about the size of what I want to say. One point that I would like to reemphasize is that you don't have to feel like you're stuck in any certain belief system. What one may call hypocrisy might better be looked at as being complicated in an intelligent way. I had some radical friends in college and one of the most liberating things anyone of them ever taught me was that fear of hypocrisy can be a kind of shallowness. People can say oh you believe this and then you say you believe that and then you do the other. I say so what? My mind is complicated enough to see the merit in two seemingly contradictory ideas and believing in both AND rejecting both all at the same time. In other words, I'm not going to allow myself to be trapped into one way of seeing things. Fear of hipocrisy is for simpletons.

Hi TheCancer!
I was rereading this reply and started thinking...
Why do you think hypocrisy is good, or why do you think that "fear of hypocrisy is for simpletons"?

[LiptomaticMate]

Who does actually fear hypocrisy? I don't like my friends pretending to be someone else, honesty is nice.

[TheCancer]

You're not a static being. You're an active organism that constantly has to respond to an incredible amount of imput stimuli from every angle. You're not who you were yesterday. You're only you in the moment. Of course, you need roots. But if that root becomes an anchor and you want to sail, it's your prerogative not be shackled by what you said you believed yesterday. Also, having a contradictory opinion shouldn't prevent you from enjoying something. I hate militarism and nationalism but I love football even though it's ripe with that garbage. You may hate school but still enjoy your chemistry class. Life is too complicated for one set of rules. I express different opinions to different people because I know what they can and/or want to deal with. For some people, this comes naturally. But when you say it's easier not to hate school then I say let that hatred go when it serves you. You're more important than whatever it is you think you believe in. And that's another thing, it's hard to know what you really believe even though you think you're really sure about it. People are sure they don't believe in God but then when faced with the barrel of a gun they start praying. You may think you hate school but if it was demolished you may feel regret. Who knows? I don't know anything that I'm really for but I think I know what I'm against. But then I wonder...

[LiptomaticMate]

* You can never be entirely sure, that's true and I agree. I do not fear hypocrisy, I also do not like it, but I'm very sure that I will rather lie and hide my intentions and personality in school to avoid drama. However, I do not want to be reffered to as a hypocrit.
The thing you mentioned about the gun and the death thingy, bad example, death and humans are a complicated subject.
I do not want to use my hatred when it serves me I'm a hater of school, but I may hide it. If school maybe one day changes I guess I'll maybe like it. It's also obvious that even though I hate school I may love the subjects.
*
Do you think hypocrisy is a good thing, a bad thing or a combo thing?
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PS: Please use pagejumps/pagebreaks

[TheCancer]

Combo thing.

[SoulRiser]

Quote:I express different opinions to different people because I know what they can and/or want to deal with.

I do this all the time. Different people get to know different sides of me because of this. It doesn't mean I'm being "fake" to anyone, just that different people bring out different sides of me. It's all still ME, just different parts.

[LiptomaticMate]

Isn't that typical and which everyone does?

[SoulRiser]

I wouldn't know... I don't really know how normal people do things.

[TheCancer]

(11-18-2012 09:29 AM)LiptomaticMate Wrote:  Isn't that typical and which everyone does?

Yeah. Unless they become so monomaniacal that they're constantly harping on some kind of dogmatic stance. That could include hating school.

[LiptomaticMate]

I adapt to people in various ways becasue I partly know how they react with certain topics and situations. Isn't that normal? Don't most people do that, or am I some kind of freak? I'm not a hypocrit if I act like that?

[SoulRiser]

That's not hypocritical, and I know I do it, TheCancer also does it, so maybe it's normal. Either way it doesn't make you a freak.

[AtheistLGBTQAnarchist]

I can use multiple personalities on people on control at any given time.

[LiptomaticMate]

I can't becasue sometimes my brain just goes berserk and it does stuff which I tell it to not do, especially in school. At home it's fine.