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I love the sheer ignorance of that. Nobody can choose their beliefs. I think you mean nobody can't choose their beliefs. You almost always have a choice. If I suddenly want to be a scientologist or whatever, I can choose to be.
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(10-05-2012 07:53 AM)guts12 Wrote:  I love the sheer ignorance of that. Nobody can choose their beliefs. I think you mean nobody can't choose their beliefs. You almost always have a choice. If I suddenly want to be a scientologist or whatever, I can choose to be.

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in the book i've been reading, i just got to the part where anonymous decided to attack the church of scientology's website after that video of Tom Cruise got out (it was only supposed to be given to members, but one memeber was like "nah man, it should be puublicly available." and so he sent it a journalist lady he knew (or just picked idk) and she kept it for a year before there was that one big event they were having (i don't remember and don't wanna look it up) and so she tried to get it on some news networks, but they all turned her down. So she ended up just sending it out to a bunch of people, and one of those people was in charge of gawker and even though youtube took down a bunch of the videos that were posted there bc of copyright infringement, he didn't care. He posted it and then said that he wouldn't take it down no matter what. Now there is one video on youtube that has like 3.5 million views.

well, that's all for now...i'll let you know when something else comes up Fu
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"free speech under the constitution only guarantees the government won't stop him saying it and does not guarantee his right to say things and have no consequences at all as a result. also i completely doubt that he is motivated solely by "i'm saying it because i can" and is probably motivated by a more shitheady motive like "i think it's funny to annoy people and Rustle Le Jimmies™ and is just hiding behind the first amendment to try to deflect any consequences or make you realize that being allowed to annoy people is a superior moral right. you can still disdain someone for doing things for dumbarse wankery purposes and you have evne more right to ban and insult them for it" ~Trar's friend about Potato.

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(10-05-2012 08:06 AM)Heil_Kaiba8921 Wrote:  
(10-05-2012 07:53 AM)guts12 Wrote:  I love the sheer ignorance of that. Nobody can choose their beliefs. I think you mean nobody can't choose their beliefs. You almost always have a choice. If I suddenly want to be a scientologist or whatever, I can choose to be.

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in the book i've been reading, i just got to the part where anonymous decided to attack the church of scientology's website after that video of Tom Cruise got out (it was only supposed to be given to members, but one memeber was like "nah man, it should be puublicly available." and so he sent it a journalist lady he knew (or just picked idk) and she kept it for a year before there was that one big event they were having (i don't remember and don't wanna look it up) and so she tried to get it on some news networks, but they all turned her down. So she ended up just sending it out to a bunch of people, and one of those people was in charge of gawker and even though youtube took down a bunch of the videos that were posted there bc of copyright infringement, he didn't care. He posted it and then said that he wouldn't take it down no matter what. Now there is one video on youtube that has like 3.5 million views.

well, that's all for now...i'll let you know when something else comes up Fu

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(10-05-2012 12:41 AM)Derchin Wrote:  
(10-05-2012 12:37 AM)Jon Wrote:  And nobody chooses their beliefs, that's impossible.

Um, yes people do. All the time.

(10-05-2012 12:37 AM)Jon Wrote:  I can't magically make myself believe in God just because I know it would be nicer to, I can't. Nobody can.

Bullshit. If they were persuaded and pushed hard enough with facts, evidence, and/or tugging at emotional strings, they could possibly change beliefs. I've seen multiple Atheists, Christians, and Muslims, converts from other religions or lack there of.
I don't understand how you can choose what you believe in. It makes no sense whatsoever. If so, you're saying I could choose to believe that gravity is a hoax and the government is actually sheep in human disguise? No, because can't just go around choosing shit like that. You believe what you believe based on evidence (or if you're religious: your parents scaring you into it). If you can, make yourself believe whatever, no matter what. Then I must've not gotten the idiotic memo.

(10-05-2012 12:58 AM)s Wrote:  
(10-05-2012 12:37 AM)Jon Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 06:33 PM)s Wrote:  So you would stop billions of people to stop reproducing?
If I could yes, but I can't. Sadly...

You have a heart of stone.
They could adopt if they want. I don't see how it would hurt them. It's like "Oh no, they can't put another miserable, defected, child into the world, how sad" boo-hoo.

(10-05-2012 02:09 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Actually, people can increase their IQ by exercising their braincells. Or decrease it by not using them.

And people choose their beliefs all the time. Like for example I choose to believe that people can change their IQ, I base this on studies I've read and on things I've seen. Someone else might choose not to believe it, either they have not seen the same studies, or they can choose to ignore them or whatever. There's always a choice.

IQ also isn't everything... there's also EQ, which I think is at least equally important, if not even more so. High EQ is what prevents people from doing things like abusing others and stuff. I think (could be wrong), Hitler had a high IQ, but clearly he was lacking in the EQ department.
Yes, IQ isn't everything but it's a good start. If someone has a low IQ we know they won't be the next Einstein.

(10-05-2012 06:20 AM)DoA Wrote:  
(10-05-2012 12:37 AM)Jon Wrote:  
(10-04-2012 06:33 PM)s Wrote:  So you would stop billions of people to stop reproducing?
If I could yes, but I can't. Sadly...

(10-04-2012 09:36 PM)SoulRiser Wrote:  lol. Since when do people's beliefs depend on their DNA? It doesn't work like that. People either choose their beliefs, or they are taught that way and just never question it. Nothing to do with DNA.

A person's DNA is what makes them have a high IQ (or not) and, while there have been religious people who were smart, in general theists' IQs are lower than atheists'. Therefore, obviously, there is a connection. And nobody chooses their beliefs, that's impossible. I can't magically make myself believe in God just because I know it would be nicer to, I can't. Nobody can. I don't know why you'd think that. Unless I misunderstood you somehow.
Bolded text is what triggered the bullshit meter.
Do your research instead of talking about your imaginary bullshit meter. Then again that would require actual thinking now wouldn't it? Fuck it then.

(10-05-2012 07:53 AM)guts12 Wrote:  I love the sheer ignorance of that. Nobody can choose their beliefs. I think you mean nobody can't choose their beliefs. You almost always have a choice. If I suddenly want to be a scientologist or whatever, I can choose to be.
I give up.

It's funny because I thought this site might actually have been ok and a place where I could actually discuss things with intelligent people. How wrong I was. I'm out, fuck you all.Fu

And at least I learnt one thing, why this forum isn't very popular. And no wonder people believe that school is a good idea when people like you are the ones that are against it.

And lastly, you are the most frustrating people I have ever had the displeasure of sharing words with.
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Oh and happy birthday, SoulRiser! I'm grateful about the school-survival.net at least. Since it's where I first read about unschooling.
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oh god, wish i could say that you'll be missed...but to me you are like another zagix...only more annoying...i'll let others defend the sit ethough
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"free speech under the constitution only guarantees the government won't stop him saying it and does not guarantee his right to say things and have no consequences at all as a result. also i completely doubt that he is motivated solely by "i'm saying it because i can" and is probably motivated by a more shitheady motive like "i think it's funny to annoy people and Rustle Le Jimmies™ and is just hiding behind the first amendment to try to deflect any consequences or make you realize that being allowed to annoy people is a superior moral right. you can still disdain someone for doing things for dumbarse wankery purposes and you have evne more right to ban and insult them for it" ~Trar's friend about Potato.

Thanks for the diploma… can I have my childhood back?

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(10-05-2012 04:22 PM)Jon Wrote:  I don't understand how you can choose what you believe in. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes it fucking does. Never heard of conversion stories have you?

(10-05-2012 04:22 PM)Jon Wrote:  If so, you're saying I could choose to believe that gravity is a hoax and the government is actually sheep in human disguise? No, because can't just go around choosing shit like that.

Equivocation fallacy look it up.


(10-05-2012 04:22 PM)Jon Wrote:  You believe what you believe based on evidence (or if you're religious: your parents scaring you into it). If you can, make yourself believe whatever, no matter what. Then I must've not gotten the idiotic memo.

*facepalm*


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Hi Jon, I think you'd enjoy the ScholasticDementia forums more. There's a link to them on the forum index.
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Fuck you too, Jon.
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Yeah, they have a frag arena. Also religion is not the one that causes wars, it's our human ignorance that makes our idiotic instinct of competitiveness to kill each other even over opinions.
Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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We have a frag arena. And Jon, I guess you were out of your depth. Not ready for this level of thinking. By that, I mean any.
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I'm not even going to read this thread, but did anyone else expect this to be the copy pasta?
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(10-16-2012 12:22 PM)IamNoone Wrote:  I'm not even going to read this thread, but did anyone else expect this to be the copy pasta?
The who the what now?
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(10-06-2012 05:45 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Hi Jon, I think you'd enjoy the ScholasticDementia forums more. There's a link to them on the forum index.

SD would reject him just as much.

(10-07-2012 12:25 AM)EmpathyLover Wrote:  Yeah, they have a frag arena. Also religion is not the one that causes wars, it's our human ignorance that makes our idiotic instinct of competitiveness to kill each other even over opinions.

Like guts12 said, this forum has a frag arena. But it seems new users rarely visit it and it mostly acts as a dump for zagix's posts. And opinions aren't the only cause of war. War itself may cause war (World War I for example), intense disliking (North and South Korea have been blowing up the shit out of each other long after the Cold War, or at least the North has been killing the South) and territory. (The Troubles over Northern Ireland, Palestine and Israel have territorial disputes I think, etc.)
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I think he just wanted attention about talking crap about Christians and thus you gave him attention. Congrats people, you fell for his trolling acts.
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(10-06-2012 02:11 AM)Derchin Wrote:  
(10-05-2012 04:22 PM)Jon Wrote:  I don't understand how you can choose what you believe in. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Yes it fucking does. Never heard of conversion stories have you?

(10-05-2012 04:22 PM)Jon Wrote:  If so, you're saying I could choose to believe that gravity is a hoax and the government is actually sheep in human disguise? No, because can't just go around choosing shit like that.

Equivocation fallacy look it up.


(10-05-2012 04:22 PM)Jon Wrote:  You believe what you believe based on evidence (or if you're religious: your parents scaring you into it). If you can, make yourself believe whatever, no matter what. Then I must've not gotten the idiotic memo.

*facepalm*


Oh, he left. Good.

He's trolling us bro, just ignore what he wants.
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Thank you Captain Obvious. Shame, seemed like he'd be a cool guy except the fact he's made 3/4 of the forum's tiny population hate him.
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^ He practically did that himself.
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