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Schools Are Prisons (And That's A Good Thing)
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^ You're absolutely right. My question is...what are YOU going to do about it? You realize that having an opinion is only the beginning, correct?

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(09-03-2012 03:29 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  WARNING!!!
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Why is everyone all the sudden in this "Under the Current System" mode??? Just because a huge majority of people have a watered down kind-of, sort-of, not really opinion on everything doesn't mean we have to. The reason why the whole anti-school movement hasn't gone anywhere until maybe the last few years is because all the anti-schoolers did was try to "change" the school system to suck less. People with this attitude about the cause against public schooling or really any political cause are going to get nowhere. It has been only very recently that anti-schoolers have come out of the closet and finally put their foot down on ENDING forced public school; sometimes even unschooling their own kids. Guess what happened???? It is actually now making a difference and shit is finally changing unschooling is starting to become popular little by little. Why??? Because radicalism is how things change and how shit gets done. Did we end slavery in the American South by trying to "change" slavery to make it less bad??? Did we try to "fix" slavery to make it better??? FUCK NO!!!!

Also, may I remind you all that forced public schooling was conceived as a means to brainwash kids into conformity and obedience, and not to educate or help children. This is not a super secret Illuminati TRUSTNO1 conspiracy, this is all fact and common knowledge. If we were all taught history in an unbiased way this would be a 3rd grade level history lesson. How could you possibly fix something that is this outright destructive and wrong?? This is like trying to "change" the mafia into a charity organization.

Seriously, people... I thought this was SS, not the republicans or democrats. Average opinions are for average people, and we are far from normal, average people. Half of the threads we make are about how we are so different from everyone else in one way or another or bitching about how the status quo is so bad and terrible. So why all the sudden are we bowing down to the status quo?? Why are we "working within the current system" when we know it is no use...

Wait a sec... I know why....

Its because "Derp I'm an adult now and having a real opinion is for darkandedgy fags".

/end of rant.
If we can't cure the cancer right away, the best we could do is at least smoke hella weed to make the pain go away and be happy and have an appetite again. This problem with school is more like civil rights then anti-slavery. Yes, it sucks, yes its fucked up, but its not bad enough to force its complete obliteration. I want to, but we just can't. Like civil rights, we have to protest and make changes one at a time until the whole system changes and no one even realizes how many changes we actually made by the end. I only said "under the current system" in reference to the current reality of our government. If we want to make changes there to (obv. yes) that is a somewhat different issue.

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Yeah, a funny thing that. Slow gradual changes... people hardly ever protest those, because each individual change on its own doesn't seem that bad. Reminds me of a story about a school I was at... Scratchchin

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(09-04-2012 03:07 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Yeah, a funny thing that. Slow gradual changes... people hardly ever protest those, because each individual change on its own doesn't seem that bad. Reminds me of a story about a school I was at... Scratchchin

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Well done for that impressive rant. I must say, you have an excellent point. If your going to do something, do it right! I don't see how nobody who works in any government or position of authority can ignore such blatant evidence. Most kids aren't happy in school, and it's plain to see. I know for a fact most won't admit it, because they're scared of being told off. I worked something out though: if you refuse to comply with their punishments, there is nothing they an do. They aren't allowed to hurt you under child protection laws, so you are immune to them! That is a bit extreme, but it works. The only way to show these people what we truly think is to take it all the way. We can't stand by while this system is "improved" by making it harder, worse for all involved, and/or longer. Thats not an improvement people! It's worse! Sadly, all anyone in charge of schools cares about is money. They can't see what it is doing to children today. Someone needs to show the, through cold, hard research! I would happily protest against schools, if someone else within it would do it with me. I want to rebel, but it requires more than me! I hope you guys can get together and stage a mass protest against public schools (and to a lesser extent private schools) globally. It takes something of that magnitude to show people what we really think. It's time we stand together and make a difference!

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About the resisting their punishment. That doesn't work a lot of the time. The problem is, they contact the parents. And kids either have to strong an attachment to the parents and can't resist the parents for any length of time, or if not that parents usually suck and will deprive the children of stuff if the kids disobey to much or just beat the kids. Yes, some parents might, but it takes effort to get the parents on board. Just keep this in mind, and prepare for it, it is an obstacle, but not insurmountable.

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Double post, my bad,

The purpose of life is a life with a purpose
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I don’t need the circus or the day of national observance
I need you to think for you and stop being a servant
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You pose an excellent point, one of which I have never thought about. If you can get your parents on board, you can proceed with said plan to your heart's content, but please don't give me credit. Also, I find the outsmarting teachers method to be inaffective with actually smart teachers, but can lead to something of value to you as a person. For example, I showed off my (basic) programming skills to my substitute IT teacher, and he suggested I join in a robotics endeavour. Sadly, said project was never started for reasons beyond my control. I do find also, that I end up with great teachers (I'm not bragging, I'm just pointing out flaws in my own theories), so I often get given extra work, which produces a different reaction each time to myself. However, we have some SHOCKING teachers in our school, none of which I shall name, who make the majority of the school want to slit their wrists instead of doing said lesson. These people are the people who make my school terrible, along with the clearly blind senior staff and assisstant teachers. (at this point, I'd suggest realising I do rants/talks like this a lot, so be prepared for more). I seriously wish that someone would see the true state of mine, and many others, schools, so that they make a move in the direction of fixing it!
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I find that the smartest teachers are generally on board with the anti school thing, and do the best they can given the circumstances. I only managed to get teachers to drop hints about how they hated the system twice.

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(09-04-2012 03:55 AM)IamNoone Wrote:  
(09-04-2012 03:07 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Yeah, a funny thing that. Slow gradual changes... people hardly ever protest those, because each individual change on its own doesn't seem that bad. Reminds me of a story about a school I was at... Scratchchin

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Ok thanks.
EDIT: That was really depressing. Knowing that that school fell from grace is sad. It seemed almost ideal, in a way, and everyone seemed happy about it. Do you have any idea what happened? Did big brother get involved? Something with whoever owned the school?
You left out so many details :(

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As far as I know it was pressure from parents that made them change it the way they did (well, that's what they told me anyway).

Also, that school shut down a while back. It's totally gone now. I wonder what would have happened if they actually listened to us?

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The really fun part is that I totally predicted this very thread in the rant.

Half the shit you guys are arguing against in my rant is shit I didn't actually say. I think your lack of reading comprehension ability is evidence that I was right. Enjoy your failure Biggrin

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(09-09-2012 03:41 PM)Galen Wrote:  The really fun part is that I totally predicted this very thread in the rant.

Half the shit you guys are arguing against in my rant is shit I didn't actually say. I think your lack of reading comprehension ability is evidence that I was right. Enjoy your failure Biggrin
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(09-09-2012 03:41 PM)Galen Wrote:  The really fun part is that I totally predicted this very thread in the rant.

Half the shit you guys are arguing against in my rant is shit I didn't actually say. I think your lack of reading comprehension ability is evidence that I was right. Enjoy your failure Biggrin

Examples or I call bullshit.

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Quote:It's funny because you think you're speaking for all of us.
I think that, do I? Well, thanks for letting me know. All this time, I thought that I thought I was just speaking for me. It's good to be told what I'm thinking, I appreciate that. You should become a public school teacher, you're good at it Smile

Quote:Examples or I call bullshit.
I say you have no reading comprehension skills and your response is to demand that I take you by the hand and point out exactly what I'm referring to, because, apparently, you're unwilling or unable to find these things for yourself. I do believe you just made my point. Which is odd, since I was really just fucking with you guys and then you go and prove that my joke actually does have a ring of truth to it. Oh, for shame....

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If you say ignore him you know we're going to keep talking. Parents are a major part in the school community, so why not hate the parent as well? DISCUSS!

Congratulations humanity,because you refuse to let go of the old and evolve you actually make people believe in 2012. Not only that, but you're the only species on Earth that were able to make it possible, now we get to sit until we die because we couldn't get to Mars. We have failed as a society and don't deserve our gifts to survive for this long. Maybe this is why dinosaurs are extinct, we sure aren't any better than the dirt you say we're created from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...DvwSOFto#! Noo

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(10-21-2012 07:45 AM)Galen Wrote:  I say you have no reading comprehension skills and your response is to demand that I take you by the hand and point out exactly what I'm referring to, because, apparently, you're unwilling or unable to find these things for yourself. I do believe you just made my point. Which is odd, since I was really just fucking with you guys and then you go and prove that my joke actually does have a ring of truth to it. Oh, for shame....

Look, either point it out or admit it doesn't exist. Ever heard of "Burden of proof"? It's not up to IamNoone to deny your claim, it's up to YOU to prove your claim. So give him an example or else your claim is unsubstantiated. Your strategy is comparable to that of a religious person shifting burden of proof onto scientists to deny the existence of a deity, rather than they themselves to prove it.

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(10-21-2012 07:45 AM)Galen Wrote:  
Quote:Examples or I call bullshit.
I say you have no reading comprehension skills and your response is to demand that I take you by the hand and point out exactly what I'm referring to, because, apparently, you're unwilling or unable to find these things for yourself. I do believe you just made my point. Which is odd, since I was really just fucking with you guys and then you go and prove that my joke actually does have a ring of truth to it. Oh, for shame....

I call bullshit,you fucking hypocrite.

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