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Interesting read: the Constitution is Unfit to Exist
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Interesting read: the Constitution is Unfit to Exist

http://lewrockwell.com/barnett/barnett53.1.html

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Basically, this is saying that we don't need some stupid piece of paper to tell us what rights we have - we have rights already, from the time we're born, to the time we die. We have rights just by EXISTING. So I dont know why there's so much damn worship over this piece of 300 year old paper that DOESN'T give any rights, when the piece of paper itself is so vague and conflicting. Any "rights" given by men really aren't rights at all but privileges that those same men can take away just as easily.

Think about it - the Constitution gives Congress the authority to tax, to pay debts, "provide for the general welfare", whatever the heck that's supposed to mean, and "provide for the Common Defense." That's all it says!! It's so vague that this Nazi government v2.0, has taken advantage of it! Also, there's the power to "borrow money on the credit of the U.S" (what's the max amount?!), and then "to regulate commerce between nations!" Is that not MIND BOGGLING?! Government should never be given ANY authority to regulate ANY commerce!! This is nothing but Communism at work. VERY SAD.

If these "Founding Fathers" really did value freedom like we've been made to believe, would they not be 10000% SPECIFIC and DETAILED about writing this piece of crap?! The Bill of Rights is the same way. It's a piece of paper that never did anything for us.

Also, there's all the War Powers (they're in the article,) which are all just as vague, but here's the last War Power, the SCARIEST one of all:

Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

This is obvious. The Founders never gave a fuck about our freedom. They were just mortal men who happened to be control freaks.

So let's just look to OURSELVES to protect out own rights. Extreme self-sufficiency is where it's at.

And all these Ron Paul people STILL support the Constitution? Sad. I'm officialy an anarchist now, who's with me?
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Not me. It states, iirc, that we have other rights not listed. And, if you haven't noticed, the rights listed are under constant attack. I'm pretty sure the gov would have raped our rights long ago if we didnt have this piece of paper that holds them back. Not to mention, innate rights implies a god. Imo, its a good idea, but i dont think "rights" are any more than ideas.

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Also, they didnt just arbitrarily create the constitution, it was accepted democratically. Ratified. Agreed to. See, the federalist and anti-federalist papers. And social contracts.

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Someone told me Ron Paul is an anti-semitist; he accepts payments from neo-nazis.
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I wish they would pay me, too.

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(05-30-2012 12:58 AM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  Not me. It states, iirc, that we have other rights not listed. And, if you haven't noticed, the rights listed are under constant attack. I'm pretty sure the gov would have raped our rights long ago if we didnt have this piece of paper that holds them back. Not to mention, innate rights implies a god. Imo, its a good idea, but i dont think "rights" are any more than ideas.

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(05-30-2012 12:58 AM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  Not me. It states, iirc, that we have other rights not listed. And, if you haven't noticed, the rights listed are under constant attack. I'm pretty sure the gov would have raped our rights long ago if we didnt have this piece of paper that holds them back. Not to mention, innate rights implies a god. Imo, its a good idea, but i dont think "rights" are any more than ideas.

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(05-30-2012 04:57 AM)Sociopath Wrote:  
Quote:I'm officialy an anarchist now, who's with me?
I am! And I agree.

These days it seems the most common sense.

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(05-30-2012 04:57 AM)Sociopath Wrote:  
Quote:I'm officialy an anarchist now, who's with me?
I am! And I agree.

These days it seems the most common sense.

I can't agree more.
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The Constitution has no inherent authority or obligation. It has no authority or obligation at all, unless as a contract between man and man. And it does not so much as even purport to be a contract between persons now existing. It purports, at most, to be only a contract between persons living eighty years ago. [This essay was written in 1869.] And it can be supposed to have been a contract then only between persons who had already come to years of discretion, so as to be competent to make reasonable and obligatory contracts. Furthermore, we know, historically, that only a small portion even of the people then existing were consulted on the subject, or asked, or permitted to express either their consent or dissent in any formal manner. Those persons, if any, who did give their consent formally, are all dead now. Most of them have been dead forty, fifty, sixty, or seventy years. and the constitution, so far as it was their contract, died with them.

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(05-30-2012 01:59 AM)Lunatic Wrote:  Someone told me Ron Paul is an anti-semitist; he accepts payments from neo-nazis.

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The Constitution has no inherent authority or obligation. It has no authority or obligation at all, unless as a contract between man and man. And it does not so much as even purport to be a contract between persons now existing. It purports, at most, to be only a contract between persons living eighty years ago. [This essay was written in 1869.] And it can be supposed to have been a contract then only between persons who had already come to years of discretion, so as to be competent to make reasonable and obligatory contracts. Furthermore, we know, historically, that only a small portion even of the people then existing were consulted on the subject, or asked, or permitted to express either their consent or dissent in any formal manner. Those persons, if any, who did give their consent formally, are all dead now. Most of them have been dead forty, fifty, sixty, or seventy years. and the constitution, so far as it was their contract, died with them.

No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority

I only read the excerpt you posted, because I'm feeling a little lazy, but from what I've read it doesn't seem like you have an alternative. Our rights would have been completely stamped out in a much faster way if we never had a restraining and overriding law. If you're an anarchist, I'm not about to argue over human nature with you, but if you're for any form of government, I don't see how one can set up government without some sort of agreement in which the citizens defer, in part, to a power.

Further, I've heard the argument, and while I don't think it's perfectly sound I think it's semi-reasonable, that we've come as close to possible to a social contract. We elect those who are in power, and those in power can amend the constitution. If everyone really wanted something changed in the constitution, in theory, we could vote it into action. Or apply pressure through public displays of support in mass numbers and have it changed through sheer power of the public. I'm not an expert on this shit, and I haven't finished studying this political book I'm reading on America, but I'm pretty sure it has a section on why America can claim, in part, a social contract.

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