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(05-21-2012 07:56 AM)FarBeyondDriven Wrote:  +1... Plus Donnie, I don't think the world is actually overpopulated; I think that's a media-gobbled myth based on that concrete commandment thing in one of those country things. Thing. You know what I'm talking about? Anyway, I'd like to know why you do personally. What is this opinion based on?

Well, poor countries are overpopulated. And I hate seeing adverts saying "HELP THESE CHILDREN! IT'S YOUR FAULT THEY ARE POOR! GIVE US MONEY, SO WE GET 99% PROFIT AND HARDLY HELP THEM AT ALL! REMEMBER, IT'S YOUR FAULT!" Plus, I kinda hate almost all of the human race. I like the people that are nice to people, and not just to get things for themselves. And that makes a substantially low amount of the population. I guess the overpopulation thing is just an excuse to make me seem like a slightly more politically correct person when I say kill millions. And although I think the government lies a lot, I don't think it would lie about overpop... I've realized how stupid that sounds.

Eh, either of us could be right.

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(05-21-2012 10:00 PM)FarBeyondDriven Wrote:  
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Quote:The world is overpopulated in poor countries mainly. Generally because of ignorance.

America is repulsively overpopulated and the people having the most babies are the most repulsive people.

How is America overpopulated...?

It's not. The only reason we have any population growth is because of immigration. But we're 5% of world's population that consumes 25% of it's resources.
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(05-21-2012 10:00 PM)FarBeyondDriven Wrote:  
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Quote:The world is overpopulated in poor countries mainly. Generally because of ignorance.

America is repulsively overpopulated and the people having the most babies are the most repulsive people.

How is America overpopulated...?

Do you live in America? If so, go outside. There's too many people. We're depleting the oceans, the rain forests, and we're pumping huge amounts of pollutants and greenhouse gas into the atmosphere. People can't afford to buy land or pay the rent because of the extreme lack of space. There are cars everywhere you look. I see cars and people everyday. Water is also a major issue. We're depleting the aquifers and tens of millions of people in America are likely to lose access to potable water in the next few decades. America is somewhere around 300 million people which is somewhere near the total world population around 500 years ago and we add a new Chicago in population every year. It's sad that they don't teach you the truth about overpopulation in schools. There's more people in Atlanta alone than there are lions, tigers, and elephants combined (times ten) in the entire world. That's shameful.

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(05-22-2012 01:46 AM)Aya Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 10:00 PM)FarBeyondDriven Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 10:00 PM)TheCancer Wrote:  
Quote:The world is overpopulated in poor countries mainly. Generally because of ignorance.

America is repulsively overpopulated and the people having the most babies are the most repulsive people.

How is America overpopulated...?

It's not. The only reason we have any population growth is because of immigration. But we're 5% of world's population that consumes 25% of it's resources.

If there were less of us we wouldn't use so much of the world's resources. Resource depletion and population cannot be separated because every person is another person using resources.

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(05-22-2012 08:46 AM)TheCancer Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 01:46 AM)Aya Wrote:  
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(05-21-2012 10:00 PM)TheCancer Wrote:  
Quote:The world is overpopulated in poor countries mainly. Generally because of ignorance.

America is repulsively overpopulated and the people having the most babies are the most repulsive people.

How is America overpopulated...?

It's not. The only reason we have any population growth is because of immigration. But we're 5% of world's population that consumes 25% of it's resources.

If there were less of us we wouldn't use so much of the world's resources. Resource depletion and population cannot be separated because every person is another person using resources.

People will survive on 1,500 calories a day. Most Americans eat more than double that. The population has little to do with it. It is over-indulgence and bad distribution of resources.

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Millions of people live on $2 a day or less around the world, yet we spend billions on advertising and making shitty movies and TV shows. What if all that money went to actually helping people instead of just mooching off them?
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Quote:The population has little to do with it.

That's odd. I thought it was people who are over-consuming and polluting. I guess it must be a bunch of ghosts.

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(05-22-2012 01:31 PM)fish20 Wrote:  Millions of people live on $2 a day or less around the world, yet we spend billions on advertising and making shitty movies and TV shows. What if all that money went to actually helping people instead of just mooching off them?

The more those two dollar a day people have, the less there is to go around for everyone else because the world's resources are finite.

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(05-22-2012 08:22 PM)TheCancer Wrote:  
Quote:The population has little to do with it.

That's odd. I thought it was people who are over-consuming and polluting. I guess it must be a bunch of ghosts.

Behavior modification, he is saying, is the resolution to such over-consuming and polluting... not having the population killed off to a few million or something populate the entire world. That's stupid, especially considering America isn't actually overpopulated. There aren't too many people at all... streets can be filled even, it doesn't matter. There's always -- usually more than -- enough space for we guys to get around adequately.

I think many women have babies for the wrong reason; a lot of the time, it's unplanned. I'm pro-choice, even though I disagree with abortion... formation of a fetus can be the result of rape, giving the victim right to either keep or terminate it. But in most cases, the female and male made the decision to have unprotected sex and they should deal with the consequences.

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Quote:Behavior modification

We're headed for 10 or even 15 billion world wide. How many do you think this planet can reasonably hold? Do you think it's infinite? I've said this already but the replies I'm getting on here make me think that people don't understand that our resources are finite, even our renewable resources and water. We are eating the fish in the ocean faster than they can reproduce. Just that alone is horrifying. Please, try and understand the ramifications of that.

But what kills me about this is that it is so obvious but people refuse to see it. If you can't see it with your eyes, everyday that you live, how could I ever convince you with words. It's not just a problem; it's the only problem.

It's so simple: People use resources. More people use more resources. We are depleting our resources and adding more people. And people say 'Well, we should stop using the resources.' But we need the resources to live and have a decent quality of life. I'm not going to respond anymore because if you can't get that it's not worth discussing it with you. Go make babies. The world obviously needs more people.

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(05-22-2012 09:15 PM)TheCancer Wrote:  
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We're headed for 10 or even 15 billion world wide. How many do you think this planet can reasonably hold? Do you think it's infinite? I've said this already but the replies I'm getting on here make me think that people don't understand that our resources are finite, even our renewable resources and water. We are eating the fish in the ocean faster than they can reproduce. Just that alone is horrifying. Please, try and understand the ramifications of that.

But what kills me about this is that it is so obvious but people refuse to see it. If you can't see it with your eyes, everyday that you live, how could I ever convince you with words. It's not just a problem; it's the only problem.

It's so simple: People use resources. More people use more resources. We are depleting our resources and adding more people. And people say 'Well, we should stop using the resources.' But we need the resources to live and have a decent quality of life. I'm not going to respond anymore because if you can't get that it's not worth discussing it with you. Go make babies. The world obviously needs more people.

You have a good point, but see, we don't need meat, we don't need fish, we don't need to cut down the rainforests, we don't need to waste water, we don't need to waste full stop, we don't need any more than 1500 - 2000 calories a day, etcetera, to "survive" and live a "decent quality" life. That's seeming to be the hole in your logic... that we do.

Resources are finite, and so is the populace this world can hold. But there are many ways around lack of countering the aforementioned from running out and the latter from occurring (stop consuming stuff you don't need to consume, use both sides of paper, the government creating a transportation of scraps and such to poorer countries, stop using so much electricity and so on; these things would all help). When I am old enough to, I'm quite sure I will either not have children or adopt, by the way.

It's not that the world needs more babies; nobody's saying that. What I'm personally saying is that while a plan of action against real overpopulation needs to take place, right now we are far from overpopulation actually happening. If we stopped using so much of everything, especially what we don't require, resource would last a lot longer, ensuring future generations it in adequate amounts.

Greed and carelessness will lead to overpopulation (i.e. head per resource) , so what needs to be countered is that greed and carelessness.

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Quote:We're headed for 10 or even 15 billion world wide. How many do you think this planet can reasonably hold?

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We're going to peak at 9-10 billion, then the population is going to decline and level off right were we are right now at 7 to 8 billion. It might even go lower.

(05-22-2012 08:46 AM)TheCancer Wrote:  If there were less of us we wouldn't use so much of the world's resources. Resource depletion and population cannot be separated because every person is another person using resources.

Wrong again. A decrease in the US population would do little to decrease our consumption rate. We're a capitalist society. All a reduction of population would do is allocate more resources to those who are still here.
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TheCancer the vast majority of over population happens in poor third world countries. Not America.

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15 billion people HAHA OH WOW, man you are so wrong.
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Fuckin saved that gif. Laugh

Also, as previously stated (I think) the biggest problem we have is consumption, not overpopulation, The U.S. consumes massive amounts of the worlds resources when we contain only a fraction of the population (about 300,000 out of nearly 7 billion worldwide) it's to be expected due to the way we structure our economy and perpetuate a society of materialists. Even I am guilty of this.
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Minorities should not be pritoritised over Majorities. Anyone who believes this is bigoted towards minorities.
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Killing should be a last resort. But if needed I would kill the the thousands.
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The US population density is 33.7 people per km^2 (87.4 per sq. mi. for imperial scum). That means everyone has about 30 000 m^2 or 319 000 sq. feet. Of course you need to take into the carrying capacity of land, but that doesn't seem overpopulated to me.

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(05-29-2012 07:02 AM)Kirby Wrote:  The US population density is 33.7 people per km^2 (87.4 per sq. mi. for imperial scum). That means everyone has about 30 000 m^2 or 319 000 sq. feet. Of course you need to take into the carrying capacity of land, but that doesn't seem overpopulated to me.

Especially when you consider that a majority of the population lives with 100 miles of the coast lines.


(05-29-2012 12:42 AM)Kalivho Wrote:  Minorities should not be pritoritised over Majorities. Anyone who believes this is bigoted towards minorities.

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(05-29-2012 12:42 AM)Kalivho Wrote:  Minorities should not be pritoritised over Majorities. Anyone who believes this is bigoted towards minorities.

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(05-20-2012 02:16 PM)Derchin Wrote:  If if came down to it (Such as if there was a major war, pandemic, alien invasion, etc) would you do it?

what got you into a major war?

dont fuck about with aliens.

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If you think the US is overpopulated, you're both partially right and wrong. The US may have a large population density in certain areas, but those areas tend to be major cities that much of the population lives in, like L.A. and Houston. On the other hand, those cities are extremely very far apart in distance, leaving small settlements of a few thousands to pock mark the map. I remember hearing from somewhere that to achieve the same population density of England, the US would have to have a tenfold increases in it's current population, which would account to the populations of both China and India combined.

Urban sprawl definitely is a large concern, but you can go to areas in places like New Mexico, Alaska or even California without seeing signs of human life for hundreds of kilometres.

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(05-21-2012 06:55 AM)Aya Wrote:  Lol Everyone thinks this is ok until they realize this was the rationale behind the atomic bombs being dropped in Japan.

+1... Plus Donnie, I don't think the world is actually overpopulated; I think that's a media-gobbled myth based on that concrete commandment thing in one of those country things. Thing. You know what I'm talking about? Anyway, I'd like to know why you do personally. What is this opinion based on?

Not +1.

The atomic bombs could have easily been dropped on military bases. Limiting the unnecessary killing of unarmed civilians. It would have been a show of, "stop now or we fuck your shit up." If Japan refused to back down after that, then I would accept a civilian city.

I'm pretty sure that was what the message behind the first bomb. We had to drop a second one on another civilian sector in order for them to get that message. So yeah, I highly doubt bombing the military would've done anything
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