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http://rt.com/news/saudi-arabia-gays-ban-213/
Quote:Gays and "tomboys" can no long enter public schools and universities in Saudi Arabia, until they change their appearance and behavior. That's how the country chose to tackle the spread of the two "phenomena".

­The Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, the country’s the most feared law enforcement agency, has received high-leveled orders to enforce new orders on homosexuality and girls who adopt masculine appearances, the Arabic-language daily Sharq reported.

“Instructions have been issued to all public schools and universities to ban the entry of gays and tom boys and to intensify their efforts to fight this phenomenon, which has been promoted by some websites,” the announcement read.

However, the source did not make clear who issued the instructions.

Banned teenagers will be allowed back to school only if they “stop such practices” and “unacceptable behavior” in public places.

Saudi Arabia operates under Shariah, or Islamic law, and punishes homosexuality with sentences of corporal and capital punishment.

Two years ago, Saudi authorities toughened a law banning the hiring of gays and lesbians.

Saudi Arabian government can BUUUUUUUURRRRNNNNN

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tomboys? what
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I loled

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...Wooow. That's nice, punishing people for something they have very little, if any, control over and putting them through the stress to conceal it.
Also, about the tomboys.. that's just fucking hilarious and horrible at the same time. What a judgmental government.
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Tomboys = Dykes I assume.

Aahhh the men there are pretty damn pathetic.

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>saudi arabia
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I'd think of something witty but its so silly I don't even know.
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fuck gay rewning sadi rabia, god dam some of a beatches
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tomboys, are not cooking, cleaning parenting?
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i know that the saudi government has many problems, but : crime is lower than the west, drugs are lower than the west, there is less rape than the west. when people say 'i would be so frustrated if women couldn't show any flesh', they are perverts because they want 2 gawp at women.

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get rid of the middle eastern countrys. just please burn them all.

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Hooray for intolerance. This intolerance is also found in Uganda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti...ality_Bill

If you're a homosexual in Uganda, YOU WILL DIE!!!!! .... How stupid can this world get?
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Wow that's just pathetic

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I live in saudi arabia, and majority of the saudis wear gay clothin, so its hard 4 the saudi government to determine who is gay or not. and here men hug, kiss eachothers hands in public and its normal 4 people to do that.

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(05-13-2012 05:32 AM)ihateteachers Wrote:  I live in saudi arabia, and majority of the saudis wear gay clothin, so its hard 4 the saudi government to determine who is gay or not. and here men hug, kiss eachothers hands in public and its normal 4 people to do that.
Lol, that's so hilarious. Because l can relate. l live in Malaysia and there are people who are very intolerant of "gays", but lots of the culture here have males who are borderline "gay" in the way they dress and look to. Like you know how guys look in anime or manga? There are lots of guys who emulate that sort of appearance, and that's perfectly ok, provided you don't out right call someone "gay". Stupid hypocritical world. Noo
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(05-12-2012 03:52 PM)ihateteachers Wrote:  i know that the saudi government has many problems, but : crime is lower than the west, drugs are lower than the west, there is less rape than the west. when people say 'i would be so frustrated if women couldn't show any flesh', they are perverts because they want 2 gawp at women.

sounds nice.

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This thread needs to be moved... it's turned into a war of words rather than what it was intended for.

One thing I'll say concerning the original post's topic is that homosexuality is not a choice in any way, shape or form; increasingly, it is being thought of by scientists as a natural occurrence in the complex structure of human sexual orientation. It is also not a "chemical imbalance", if anyone here is ignorant enough to believe such a thing -- the cause of homosexuality, heterosexuality, etc. are all unknown but are seen as being closely if not exactly alike. To be homosexual means to be attracted to the same-sex and only the same-sex... there is no such literal thing as "looking gay", and to feel as though somebody does lays psychologically. "Gay" is a term referring to something literal (attraction), technically inapplicable to physical objects/outer exteriors. Stereotyping is a result of this hierarchy society's media brainwash, resulting in the expansion of control over consumers (and we are all consumers, consciously or subconsciously) , i.e. you and I... key in maintaining division between people.

As the saying goes: "divide and conquer".

Human beings are a species whose brain collectively works in a way of categorizing practically everything. When such categorizing is based on stereotypes, and these stereotypes are depended on to "register" others' physical or otherwise identities (instead of logical, real-life personality attributes), there's a problem, and one that needs to fuck off already. The aforementioned isn't natural; it's a result of manipulation and bullshit-feeding. A man with blue eyes and blonde hair is not necessarily German. He could be, but to either assume he could be because of his outer appearance (stereotype) when you are actually clueless about genetics (reality) on a whole, or to assume he is full-stop, is to accept your conditioning to/of idiocy, making you a willful consumer/idiot whether admitting to being one or not.

A guy can appear feminine, a girl can appear masculine, but neither can look as though they are attracted to the same-sex/"gay". Females and males' attraction are both triggered differently of course, but a lot of people mistake this for meaning attraction to males is a feminine thing and that attraction to females is a masculine, which is not true.

Homosexuality is as important as heterosexuality, and personally I find that they both do not matter. Many Nazis (including Hitler himself I am lead to believe) stated that they did not believe in "race" (as there is technically no such thing outside of bloodline and genetics of which change skin colour) to be important, but the bloodline and genetics of which change skin colour. It was a cultural, political, moral code thing of which needed ground to stand on for the purpose of them gaining power -- their words, not mine. To me, this is funny, because Obama had his recent out-of-nowhere (tactic, since it's election time and guy needs a new gimmick to get by on) go at speaking so highly in favour of homosexuality publicized very widely (obvious purpose was to gain votes -- keyword: power). In actuality, the only reason homosexuality was ever made illegal is because politics needs its resource to stay relevant/convince people government is important in the balance of "freedom of speech" (those against homosexuality -- usually indoctrinated by man-made religion, i.e. another way to control people -- and those for). I could go on, but find no point to.

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(05-12-2012 03:52 PM)ihateteachers Wrote:  i know that the saudi government has many problems, but : crime is lower than the west, drugs are lower than the west, there is less rape than the west. when people say 'i would be so frustrated if women couldn't show any flesh', they are perverts because they want 2 gawp at women.


Really? So its the womans fault she gets raped?
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im saying stop getting angry with saudi. they can do what they want with their coumtry. I live im saudi and lots of men dress like gays and they are straight, so iys hard to determine who is gay and who isnt.

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(05-12-2012 03:52 PM)ihateteachers Wrote:  i know that the saudi government has many problems, but : crime is lower than the west, drugs are lower than the west, there is less rape than the west. when people say 'i would be so frustrated if women couldn't show any flesh', they are perverts because they want 2 gawp at women.
Quote:I live in saudi arabia, and majority of the saudis wear gay clothin, so its hard 4 the saudi government to determine who is gay or not. and here men hug, kiss eachothers hands in public and its normal 4 people to do that.


Your logic is extremely flawed...

For one, there may be less rape in Saudi Arabia than there is in the West, but since rape is in no instance the women's fault, how she dresses has nothing to do with it. The populace of Saudi Arabia is approximately twenty seven million. In December of 2011, it was estimated that America's was almost three hundred and thirteen million. England's is sixty million... so naturally, there would be less report of rape in this area of the North since there are less males there.

Most men or women of whom disagree with Saudi Arabian women not being "allowed" by male authority to show skin are not at all "perverted". Rather, the majority is made up of anti-sexist (naturally, not politically necessarily) human beings following the moral belief that women are capable of thinking for themselves and should, because of this, not be forced into conformation (cultural or otherwise) merely due to them having been born someplace. Women's basic human rights aren't something for men to pick and choose from with law or for you and I to be having a debate about, just as people who are gay's aren't.

I've already addressed your opinion on clothing being gay, in turn confusing the government as to whether or not someone is homosexual or not... As for men kissing or hugging each other in greeting; there's nothing about them doing so even remotely homosexual. Even if they were both gay (and I will remind you that this word means "to be attracted to the same-sex and only the same-sex"), unless either felt something for the other (even so, physical contact is not "homosexual" because homosexuality is a sexual orientation and sexual orientation is based on feeling/emotion, not "touch") romantic and/or otherwise, the relationship between them could not be defined as sexual, therefore nor homosexual (with the same sense applying to heterosexuality also).

EDIT: The Saudi Arabian government may "officially" own Saudi Arabia, but in actuality, land is owned only psychologically and it is when people accept this ownership as real that authoritativeness becomes literal. They have no right to sentence anyone to death, jail, anything based on not sexual orientation, but their ignorance of what it is.

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If I were a Saudi Arabian, I'd pretend to be lesbian so that I wouldn't get school
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(05-14-2012 01:22 AM)FarBeyondDriven Wrote:  To be homosexual means to be attracted to the same-sex and only the same-sex... there is no such literal thing as "looking gay", and to feel as though somebody does lays psychologically. "Gay" is a term referring to something literal (attraction), technically inapplicable to physical objects/outer exteriors. Stereotyping is a result of this hierarchy society's media brainwash, resulting in the expansion of control over consumers (and we are all consumers, consciously or subconsciously) , i.e. you and I... key in maintaining division between people.

Quote:A guy can appear feminine, a girl can appear masculine, but neither can look as though they are attracted to the same-sex/"gay". Females and males' attraction are both triggered differently of course, but a lot of people mistake this for meaning attraction to males is a feminine thing and that attraction to females is a masculine, which is not true.
I feel like this is pretty reductive? 'Technically inapplicable' or not, a very feminine man is more likely gay than straight. And that doesn't even take into account subcultural differences in dressing that make (some!) gay people look gay to (some!) other people. I don't really understand the insistence that everything can be so neatly compartmentalized-like yes, you can define being gay, no, human variation does not stop neatly at the lines you draw.

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Quote:I feel like this is pretty reductive? 'Technically inapplicable' or not, a very feminine man is more likely gay than straight. And that doesn't even take into account subcultural differences in dressing that make (some!) gay people look gay to (some!) other people. I don't really understand the insistence that everything can be so neatly compartmentalized-like yes, you can define being gay, no, human variation does not stop neatly at the lines you draw.

This is going to be long... darn my non-existent life and tireless fingers. No problem if you don't get through it all… piece of schizo anyway.

Just to say, I kind of wish this was part of my homework... I've got three essays to do... Laugh

In my opinion, what I wrote earlier was pretty reductive because, though I know the currently accepted science behind human sexuality, I do not know certain scientific terms and am therefore unable to explain in as much detail as I'd like to my point and how it is factually supported. I addressed what I think of some people viewing others as looking "gay" already, but (I feel as though) you replied with the exact thing I'd (at least, attempted to) addressed:

Quote:"'Technically inapplicable' or not, a very feminine man is more likely gay than straight." and "(some!) gay people look gay to (some!) other people".

My point is not that some people don't look "gay" to others, but that why they do is irrational, "reductive" compartmentalization/result of brainwash, conditioning.

Technically (as in scientifically), there is no literal thing as "gay" (homosexual/ity) outside of its meaning "to be solely attracted to the same-sex". Therefore, to feel as though someone looks "gay" is the result of, as I'll further explain, brainwash and conditioning. Relating femininity (i.e. gender) in males (sex) to sexual orientation (sexuality) or using femininity to assume another's sexual orientation is technically (scientifically) nonsensical. This conditioning (attaching one thing -- gender -- to another thing -- homosexuality -- like they have relevance when they do not and seeing this view as "rational" being the result of this specific instance's) is broadcast by media of all kinds (this is a medium-revolved society -- you and I were born exposed to it... forced to school, for example, at an age of which permitted us no right to refuse.) Scientifically proven as nonfactual opinion yet one of which is still held after disproof (which is an irrational thing to do) and having this holding seen by others as a "good thing", "freedom of speech", "natural diversity in people" are just as fucking dulled-over themselves. Freedom of speech is mandatory, but irrationality promoted as the former is certainly not... e.g. religion is cult brainwash, unnatural manipulation of the natural abilities of humans' brains, e.g. compartmentalization, fear... religion is a dumbing down of our species; a way to control us, and so is the manipulation used to attain worshippers when applied to something else, like this (stereotyping).

Basically: natural compartmentalization scheme of the brain = brought forward as being depended on for registering individuals (could explain further but meh), just another aspect of you usable to dumb you down so that you are easier to control/desensitized: i.e. accept *hierarchy* authority, this instance of society as "normal" or at least "acceptable", etc. You take so many things in subconsciously (as in, not by choice -- you didn't choose to believe gay people were a certain way... feminine or masculine or otherwise... did you? As I have written above, if scientifically, gender has nothing to do with homosexuality, why do you think it does? It's certainly not a natural way to think... perhaps normal, but not natural).

Brainwash (sounds clique but ehh) and conditioning by medium: (e.g. sexuality = emotion, feeling = literal, not psychological view) to an irrelevant other (e.g. clothing = man-made material = physical = the importance of "style"... even the need to wear anything at all... being only psychologically real/caused by conditioning; not scientifically, literally important in any other way except for disease and such... but that's not my point). Gender identification, of course, can be related to dress-sense. Gender stereotypes are at the base of gender-queerness and transsexualism. A female who dresses masculinely (and identifies as gender-queer) is gender-queer. By the way, no big deal. A female who feels as though they are a male by mind and wishes to be bodily as well is transsexual/gender. No big deal, either. If society was somehow conditioned into seeing "masculine" clothes as being "feminine", then these clothes would be "feminine" (because gender-roles, when applied to objects when they are internal and only expressed by what we've )Because society has been conditioned into seeing clothes as "masculine", they are. Obviously way more complicated than that, but I'm sure that's ramble enough.

It is known that whatever it is that alters gender is not what (solely, at least) alters orientation. Since both are spectrums, femininity in males does not give any rational ground to assuming these men as being homosexual/"looking" like they are (refer above).

Not sure if I'm making sense...

Again on to compartmentalization: it is something the brain does (compartmentalizes things) when, for example, someone is a scientist yet holds belief in religion and/or God. The brain detaches these two contradicting beliefs -- (proven =) rational vs. (unproven=) irrational -- allowing both to function without exposing the latter to the aforementioned/allowing illogic within otherwise intelligent people. Can you relate that to what I'm saying?

By the way; heterosexuality's cause is just as much a mystery as homosexuality to scientists. They have not discovered a "gay gene" or a "straight gene" -- any sort of gene of which changes one's sexual orientation. The media report only that a "gay gene" hasn't been found; more foolery for the brain to take in/division of humankind... sexuality is a natural occurrence, full stop... and participating in a corrupt system. I do see sexual orientation to go as deep as that, and understand it to be hijacked for propaganda leverage for belief in politics, etc.

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RE: No gays allowed: Saudi Arabia bans homosexuals from schools

All I know is, I've got a friend who looks and behaves in a somewhat 'feminine' sort of way, many people have said he's gay, but he isn't... and I sort of look and behave a bit like a guy, some people have thought I'm a lesbian... but I am not. So I don't know if looking a certain way has any bearing on orientations or whatever, but even if it does, it most certainly isn't always true... it doesn't really make sense that it would be related though. Is sexual orientation really genetic? Is liking the colour red genetic? ... I don't see how it could be genetic.

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RE: No gays allowed: Saudi Arabia bans homosexuals from schools

(05-15-2012 04:13 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  All I know is, I've got a friend who looks and behaves in a somewhat 'feminine' sort of way, many people have said he's gay, but he isn't... and I sort of look and behave a bit like a guy, some people have thought I'm a lesbian... but I am not. So I don't know if looking a certain way has any bearing on orientations or whatever, but even if it does, it most certainly isn't always true... it doesn't really make sense that it would be related though. Is sexual orientation really genetic? Is liking the colour red genetic? ... I don't see how it could be genetic.

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(05-15-2012 02:24 AM)FarBeyondDriven Wrote:  My point is not that some people don't look "gay" to others, but that why they do is irrational, "reductive" compartmentalization/result of brainwash, conditioning.
It's not compartmentalizing to notice generalities--it's actually compartmentalizing to say that since sexuality it who you're attracted to, that can't spill over into anything else. I know what the definition of gay is, I also know that for both myself and a lot of other gay people, it goes along with somewhat atypical gender expression. (And to say that's true disproportionately often for gay people doesn't mean there are no gender-nonconforming straight people.)


Quote:Technically (as in scientifically), there is no literal thing as "gay" (homosexual/ity) outside of its meaning "to be solely attracted to the same-sex". Therefore, to feel as though someone looks "gay" is the result of, as I'll further explain, brainwash and conditioning. Relating femininity (i.e. gender) in males (sex) to sexual orientation (sexuality) or using femininity to assume another's sexual orientation is technically (scientifically) nonsensical.
It's neither nonsensical nor entirely unscientific. Observation is the basis of science, even. I mean, if you want to insist that, by definition, someone can't 'look gay', sure. No one is saying that you can literally see who someone else is attracted to. But people are not just a random collection of traits thrown together--some things are more likely to go together than others, and being gay and gender-nonconformity are two of those things. You can certainly look like the kind of person who is unusually likely to be gay. It's just splitting hairs over semantics.

Quote:Brainwash (sounds clique but ehh) and conditioning by medium: (e.g. sexuality = emotion, feeling = literal, not psychological view) to an irrelevant other (e.g. clothing = man-made material = physical = the importance of "style"... even the need to wear anything at all... being only psychologically real/caused by conditioning; not scientifically, literally important in any other way except for disease and such... but that's not my point). Gender identification, of course, can be related to dress-sense. Gender stereotypes are at the base of gender-queerness and transsexualism. A female who dresses masculinely (and identifies as gender-queer) is gender-queer. By the way, no big deal. A female who feels as though they are a male by mind and wishes to be bodily as well is transsexual/gender. No big deal, either. If society was somehow conditioned into seeing "masculine" clothes as being "feminine", then these clothes would be "feminine" (because gender-roles, when applied to objects when they are internal and only expressed by what we've )Because society has been conditioned into seeing clothes as "masculine", they are. Obviously way more complicated than that, but I'm sure that's ramble enough.
If clothes can 'be' masculine or feminine based on which gender they're typically associated with, why can't they 'be' gay or not gay? Why is one more essential than the other?

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Why would they ban homosexuality? Muhammad is gay!

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