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Exclusive: Why Can’t You Smoke Pot? Because Lobbyists Are Getting Rich Off of the War
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Exclusive: Why Can’t You Smoke Pot? Because Lobbyists Are Getting Rich Off of the War
Quote:John Lovell is a lobbyist who makes a lot of money from making sure you can’t smoke a joint. That’s his job. He’s a lobbyist for the police unions in Sacramento, and he is a driving force behind grabbing Federal dollars to shut down the California marijuana industry. I’ll get to the evidence on this important story in a bit, but first, some context.
At some point in the distant past, the war on drugs might have been popular. But not anymore — the polling is clear, but beyond that, the last three Presidents have used illegal drugs. So why do we still put hundreds of thousands of people in steel cages for pot-related offenses? Well, there are many reasons, but one of them is, of course, money in politics. Corruption. Whatever you want to call it, it’s why you can’t smoke a joint without committing a crime, though of course you can ingest any number of pills or drinks completely within the law.
Some of the groups who want to keep the drug illegal are police unions that want more members to pay more dues. One of the primary sources for cash for more policing activities are Federal grants for penalizing illegal drug use, which help pay for overtime, additional police officers, and equipment for the force. That’s what Lovell does, he gets those grants. He also fights against democratic mechanisms to legalize drugs.
In 2010, California considered Prop 19, a measure to legalize marijuana and tax it as alcohol. The proposition gained more votes than Meg Whitman, the former eBay executive and Republican gubernatorial nominee that year, but failed to pass. Opponents of the initiative ran ads, organized rallies, and spread conspiracy theories about billionaire George Soros to confuse voters.
Lovell managed the opposition campaign against Prop 19. He told Time Magazine that he was pushing against the initiative because, “the last thing we need is yet another mind-altering substance to be legalized.”
But Republic Report reviewed lobbying contracts during the Prop 19 fight, and found that Lovell’s firm was paid over $386,350 from a wide array of police unions, including the California Police Chiefs Association.
While Lovell may contend that he sincerely opposes the idea of marijuana legalization, he has constructed an entire business model predicated on pot prohibition.
There is big money in marijuana prohibition. Lovell represented a police union in a bid to steer some $2.2 million dollars into a “Marijuana Suppression Program.” In 2009 and 2010, California police unions sought a $7,537,389 chunk of Federal money for police to conduct a “Campaign Against Marijuana Planting” program.
The anti-marijuana money went directly into the paychecks of many officers. For example, police departments in Shasta, Siskiyou, and Tehama Counties formed a “North California Eradication Team” to receive $550,000 in grants that helped pay for overtime, a new officer, and flight operations:
The total amount awarded was $550,000, to be split between Shasta, Siskiyou and Tehama counties, which make up the Northern California Marijuana Eradication Team (NorCal-MET). Broken down in the agenda worksheet, the sheriff’s office is expecting to spend $20,000 on flight operations, $94,895 for the full-time deputy’s salary and benefits, $16,788 for the administration assistant salary and benefits and $29,983 to cover up to 666.29 hours of overtime.
The Federal anti-marijuana honeypot might have dried up if Prop 19 had passed. Legalizing marijuana would have generated billions in tax revenue for the state of California, while also reducing victimless crime prosecutions. But for lobbyists like Lovell, legalization was a direct assault on hundreds of thousands of dollars in potential fees for helping to solicit taxpayer money for his clients.
Police unions also contributed about $100,500 to a campaign account used to coordinate opposition to Prop 19. Of the $386,350 in fees paid by police unions to Lovell through 2009 and 2010, status update reports reviewed by Republic Report reveal that Lovell worked on a number of issues, from advocacy against Prop 19 to channeling grants and monitoring legislation.
Of course, police unions aren’t the only interest group with a stake in maintaining broken drug laws. The beer industry, alcohol corporations, and prison guard unions also contributed money to help Lovell stop Prop 19. Howard Wooldridge, a retired police officer who now helps push for legalization as a citizen advocate, told Republic Report that drug company lobbyists also fight to keep marijuana illegal because they view pot as a low-cost form of competition.
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RE: Exclusive: Why Can’t You Smoke Pot? Because Lobbyists Are Getting Rich Off of the War
Quote:“the last thing we need is yet another mind-altering substance to be legalized.”
You horrid piece of shit. Your fucking dumb ass has no right to tell people what to do. Go suck a horse dick.
I don't even smoke weed, but ruining someone's life for possessing or selling weed is completely fucking ridiculous.
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When you see a stupid bill or law being proposed and passed, there's a good chance lobbyists with industries full of money are behind it.
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We just got a marijuana user sentenced to eight months in jail.
That's the way to go. I'm tired of that worthless shit which ruins thousands of thousands young lives.
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(03-21-2012 06:16 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote: We just got a marijuana user sentenced to eight months in jail.
That's the way to go. I'm tired of that worthless shit which ruins thousands of thousands young lives.
Ruined all sorts of lives like those of Bill Clinton, Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan, and Steve Jobs.
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Steve Jobs died at 56. Pot connected or not, he died.
So many people started with weed, moved to harder drugs and ruined their lives.
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(03-21-2012 06:55 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote: Steve Jobs died at 56. Pot connected or not, he died.
So many people started with weed, moved to harder drugs and ruined their lives.
Lol. It wasn't even drug related. That's like saying someone died, and they ate apples all the time. But they died. So Apples are bad. Pot, scientifically, has not been shown to have any negative medical side-effects.
As for it being a gateway drug, that's pretty much bullshit. If pot were legalized and socially acceptable, it would cease to be a gateway drug in a couple of generations... Look at it this way: If apples were illegal and touted as the bane of fruits, and the government arrested and jailed people for eating them, they would then be sold to people who like them through an underground network. The apple dealers sell an illegal substance, and therefore probably have connections with others in the underground world of illegal substances. Since this is the case, those who eat apples generally have to associate themselves with people who regularly engage in illegal activities, and these people dismiss the idea that illegal substances as a whole are bad. That, eventually, rubs off on the people buying the apples. The apple people then start to use other illegal substances.
In other words, the only reason pot is a gateway drug is because it's illegal, thus forcing those who want to try it to get involved in "bad" people who do other drugs.
Also, people who try pot are generally more likely to do hard drugs anyway. If pot never existed, chances are, these people would probably do harder drugs anyways.
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System of a Down's Prison Song...
Minor drug offenders fill your prisons
You don't even flinch
All our taxes paying for your wars
Against the new non rich
Minor drug offenders fill your prisons
You don't even flinch
All our taxes paying for your wars
Against the new non rich
Ooh, I buy my crack, my smack, my bitch right here in Hollywood!!
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All to the Netherlands!
(01-10-2012 02:15 PM)Maelstrom Wrote: Efs, your nihilism is beautiful.
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(03-21-2012 02:57 PM)Efs Wrote: All to the Netherlands!
Ya, they are so good. Their PM is Nazi cunt, their country is full of disgusting acts (prostitution, drugs and so on) and on the other side, they are being invaded by thousands of thousands of Muslims, who will eventually take over the country.
They r s0 g00d.
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(03-21-2012 06:43 PM)bulgvar666 Wrote: (03-21-2012 02:57 PM)Efs Wrote: All to the Netherlands!
Ya, they are so good. Their PM is Nazi cunt, their country is full of disgusting acts (prostitution, drugs and so on) and on the other side, they are being invaded by thousands of thousands of Muslims, who will eventually take over the country.
They r s0 g00d.
That's better than Australia and USA.
(01-10-2012 02:15 PM)Maelstrom Wrote: Efs, your nihilism is beautiful.
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(03-21-2012 06:43 PM)bulgvar666 Wrote: (03-21-2012 02:57 PM)Efs Wrote: All to the Netherlands!
Ya, they are so good. Their PM is Nazi cunt, their country is full of disgusting acts (prostitution, drugs and so on) and on the other side, they are being invaded by thousands of thousands of Muslims, who will eventually take over the country.
They r s0 g00d.
Yours isn't any better.
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(03-21-2012 06:43 PM)bulgvar666 Wrote: (03-21-2012 02:57 PM)Efs Wrote: All to the Netherlands!
Ya, they are so good. Their PM is Nazi cunt, their country is full of disgusting acts (prostitution, drugs and so on) and on the other side, they are being invaded by thousands of thousands of Muslims, who will eventually take over the country.
They r s0 g00d.
At least their schools have proper toilets.
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(03-21-2012 06:55 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote: Steve Jobs died at 56. Pot connected or not, he died.
So many people started with weed, moved to harder drugs and ruined their lives.
No, this is Patrick.
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(03-21-2012 06:55 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote: Steve Jobs died at 56. Pot connected or not, he died.
So many people started with weed, moved to harder drugs and ruined their lives.
Steve jobs died of pancreatic cancer you flaming git. There is absolutely zero correlation between marijuana and pancreatic cancer. If anything marijuana is probably what kept him calm and sane during his last days, since he undoubtedly had a medical marijuana card.
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(03-21-2012 06:43 PM)bulgvar666 Wrote: (03-21-2012 02:57 PM)Efs Wrote: All to the Netherlands!
Ya, they are so good. Their PM is Nazi cunt, their country is full of disgusting acts (prostitution, drugs and so on) and on the other side, they are being invaded by thousands of thousands of Muslims, who will eventually take over the country.
They r s0 g00d.
What's wrong with prostitution and Muslims?
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(03-21-2012 06:43 PM)bulgvar666 Wrote: (03-21-2012 02:57 PM)Efs Wrote: All to the Netherlands!
Ya, they are so good. Their PM is Nazi cunt, their country is full of disgusting acts (prostitution, drugs and so on) and on the other side, they are being invaded by thousands of thousands of Muslims, who will eventually take over the country.
They r s0 g00d.
Who the fuck is this retard? We get a new troll?
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(03-22-2012 06:46 AM)Thought Criminal Wrote: (03-21-2012 06:43 PM)bulgvar666 Wrote: (03-21-2012 02:57 PM)Efs Wrote: All to the Netherlands!
Ya, they are so good. Their PM is Nazi cunt, their country is full of disgusting acts (prostitution, drugs and so on) and on the other side, they are being invaded by thousands of thousands of Muslims, who will eventually take over the country.
They r s0 g00d.
Who the fuck is this retard? We get a new troll?
He's Bulgarian.
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(03-22-2012 07:33 AM)HeartofShadows Wrote: and 12 years old.
I thought gay people should be given hormone treatments when I was 12. No wonder he's a socialist.
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Who the fuck is Raikuron.
The, I appreciate that.
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