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Quote:A determination to ‘move beyond anger to creativity’ is driving a strong barter economy in some places

In recent weeks, Theodoros Mavridis has bought fresh eggs, tsipourou (the local brandy: beware), fruit, olives, olive oil, jam, and soap. He has also had some legal advice, and enjoyed the services of an accountant to help fill in his tax return.

None of it has cost him a euro, because he had previously done a spot of electrical work – repairing a TV, sorting out a dodgy light – for some of the 800-odd members of a fast-growing exchange network in the port town of Volos, midway between Athens and Thessaloniki.

In return for his expert labour, Mavridis received a number of Local Alternative Units (known as tems in Greek) in his online network account. In return for the eggs, olive oil, tax advice and the rest, he transferred tems into other people’s accounts.

“It’s an easier, more direct way of exchanging goods and services,” said Bernhardt Koppold, a German-born homeopathist and acupuncturist in Volos who is an active member of the network. “It’s also a way of showing practical solidarity – of building relationships.”

He had just treated Maria McCarthy, an English teacher who has lived and worked in the town for 20 years. The consultation was her first tem transaction, and she used one of the vouchers available for people who haven’t yet, or can’t, set up an online account.

“I already exchange directly with a couple of families, mainly English teaching for babysitting, and this is a great way to extend that,” said McCarthy. “This is still young, but it’s growing very quickly. Plainly, the more you use it the more useful to you it gets.”

Tems has been up and running for barely 18 months, said Maria Choupis, one of its founder members. Prompted by ever more swingeing salary cuts and tax increases, she reckons there are now around 15 such networks active around Greece, and more planned. “They are as much social structures as economic ones,” she said. “They foster intimacy and mutual support.”

The network is currently busy transforming a disused building owned by Volos university into a permanent exchange and barter space. It will host a daily market from next month at which members can meet and exchange without using cash. Several highly successful open-air markets were held throughout last summer, Choupis said, until the weather got too cold.

“They’re quite joyous occasions,” she said. “It’s very liberating, not using money.” At one market, she said, she approached a woman who had come along with three large trays of homemade cakes and was selling them for a unit a cake. “I asked her: ‘Do you think that’s enough? After all, you had the cost of the ingredients, the electricity to cook …’

“She replied: ‘Wait until the market is over’, and at the end she had three different kinds of fruit, two one-litre bottles of olive oil, soaps, beans, a dozen eggs and a whole lot of yoghurt. ‘If I had bought all this at the supermarket,’ she said, ‘it would have cost me a great deal more than what it cost to make these cakes.’”

What rules the system has are designed to ensure the tems continue “to circulate, and work hard as a currency”, said Christos Pappionannou, a mechanical engineer who runs the network’s website using open-source software.

No one may hold more than 1,200 tems in the account “so people don’t start hoarding; once you reach the top limit you have to start using them.”

And no one may owe more than 300, so people “can’t get into debt, and have to start offering something”.

Businesses that are part of the network are allowed to do transactions partly in tems, and partly in euros; most offer a 50/50 part-exchange.

“We recognise that they have their fixed costs, they have to pay a rent and bills in euros,” said Pappionannou. “You could say that their ‘profit’ might be taken in Tems, to be reinvested in the network.”

Choupis said she thought the network would have grown even faster that it has if people were not so “frozen, in a state of fear. It’s like they’ve been hit over the head with a brick; they’re dizzy. And they’re cautious; they’re still thinking: ‘I need euros, how am I going to pay my bills?’ But as soon as people see how much they can do without money, they’re convinced.”

The Greek parliament recently passed a law encouraging “alternative forms of entrepreneurship and local development”, including exchange networks such as Volos’s, giving them official non-profit status for tax purposes.

Choupis said there was a new mood abroad in Greece, a determination to “move beyond anger to creativity”.

“You are not poor when you have no money,” she said, “you are poor when you have nothing to offer – except for the elderly and the sick, to whom we should all be offering.”

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What would be really scary is what would happen if the government actually starts using this, and what they would have people do who owed them tems.

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(03-18-2012 05:00 AM)Sapphire Flames Wrote:  What would be really scary is what would happen if the government actually starts using this, and what they would have people do who owed them tems.

Yeah good point though its still a step in the right direction(being independent from the banks).
hopefully its a system that is a work in improvement in the future.

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This is interesting news...
I wonder what the future holds for them. This is a step forward imo.

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Smart move on the greeks' part.

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Problem, capitalists?

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(03-19-2012 07:33 AM)Sociopath Wrote:  Problem, capitalists?

No true capitalist has a problem with this.

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(03-19-2012 07:33 AM)Sociopath Wrote:  Problem, capitalists?

Central banking is actually one of the charachteristics of communism. 100% communism would mean using gold, barter, or some medium of trade with real value.

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Hehe Socio's post backfired.

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(03-19-2012 04:30 PM)gore goroth Wrote:  Central banking is actually one of the charachteristics of communism. 100% communism would mean using gold, barter, or some medium of trade with real value.

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(03-19-2012 05:42 PM)HeartofShadows Wrote:  
(03-19-2012 04:30 PM)gore goroth Wrote:  Central banking is actually one of the charachteristics of communism. 100% CAPITALISM would mean using gold, barter, or some medium of trade with real value.

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(03-20-2012 01:14 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote:  [Image: 5656500127_Socialism_by_miniamericanflag...large.jpeg]

Socialism! Social equality! Well-being of the people! Everything in the name of the vox populi!

Youre a socialist huh???
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For sure. Low & Middle class people rulz
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I gotta say I disagree with your sig too.

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Why?

And why don't you agree with me on the low & middle class thing? Are you high class or what?
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(03-20-2012 07:06 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote:  Why?

And why don't you agree with me on the low & middle class thing? Are you high class or what?

>Implying just because I don't want to give my life's earnings to the government, I must obviously be C.E.O. of evil rich elitist corporation and hate all the peasants.

And I don't think socialism helps the middle class. If you are a stereotypical middle class working man, the government will most likely take from you more than it gives back.

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(03-19-2012 04:53 PM)Efs Wrote:  Hehe Socio's post backfired.

>implying any work went into the post

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(03-20-2012 08:41 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  
(03-20-2012 07:06 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote:  Why?

And why don't you agree with me on the low & middle class thing? Are you high class or what?

>Implying just because I don't want to give my life's earnings to the government, I must obviously be C.E.O. of evil rich elitist corporation and hate all the peasants.

And I don't think socialism helps the middle class. If you are a stereotypical middle class working man, the government will most likely take from you more than it gives back.

Socialism supports:

1) free healthcare
2) developed retirement system
3) developed public transport system
4) and so on.

Just look at the Scandinavian countries. Like Sweden. And Socialism combined with Social progressivism can ensure a lot of freedoms.
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(03-20-2012 05:33 PM)bulgvar666 Wrote:  
(03-20-2012 08:41 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  
(03-20-2012 07:06 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote:  Why?

And why don't you agree with me on the low & middle class thing? Are you high class or what?

>Implying just because I don't want to give my life's earnings to the government, I must obviously be C.E.O. of evil rich elitist corporation and hate all the peasants.

And I don't think socialism helps the middle class. If you are a stereotypical middle class working man, the government will most likely take from you more than it gives back.

Socialism supports:

1) free healthcare
2) developed retirement system
3) developed public transport system
4) and so on.

Just look at the Scandinavian countries. Like Sweden. And Socialism combined with Social progressivism can ensure a lot of freedoms.
There is no such thing as free healthcare. Under socialism, that comes from your tax money. And please explain what "developed" means.

You fail to mention all the failures of socialism. What about the U.S.S.R. and Nazi Germany? What about some parts of Africa? And I heard many people of scandanavia are against socialism and there was a big struggle to bring back capitalism.

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We gotta move this economic shit to another thread. If we are to continue this.

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U.S.S.R wasn't socialist, but communist. Socialism is a litttttttle bit different.
And U.S.S.R wasn't failure. It built so much, it created so much and had so many space achievements.

But that swine pig Gorbachev ruined it. If I ever have the chance to see that little cunt, I'll poop on his disgusting betraying face.
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Quote:U.S.S.R wasn't socialist, but communist. Socialism is a litttttttle bit different.

Ahem.
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Quote:And U.S.S.R wasn't failure. It built so much, it created so much and had so many space achievements.

And Nazi Germany made awesome death camps. Cool gas chamber technology. It was still a militaristic dictatorship and not a free country.

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Yes, because during that time communism was referred also as 'socialism'. From that we have the term 'soc vremena' which is translated as 'soc (socialism) times'

But nowadays, socialism is different. Not much, just a little.

And by the way, please prove that U.S.S.R was failure.
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(03-21-2012 07:05 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote:  And by the way, please prove that U.S.S.R was failure.

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(03-21-2012 07:19 AM)Weswammy Wrote:  
(03-21-2012 07:05 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote:  And by the way, please prove that U.S.S.R was failure.

It collapsed.

DO HO HO this^^

But hey, by bulgvar definition of success/failure, North Korea is a great success.

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It collapsed, because Gorbachev betrayed it. Otherwise, it wouldn't.
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RE: Greece develops cashless, Euro-free currency in tight economy

(03-21-2012 07:20 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  
(03-21-2012 07:19 AM)Weswammy Wrote:  
(03-21-2012 07:05 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote:  And by the way, please prove that U.S.S.R was failure.

It collapsed.

DO HO HO this^^
Saying it collapsed is a bit of a cop-out though. I wan to delve deeper into the deep, awful consequences of Soviet economic planning in particular.
Take a look at this:
Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_an...viet_Union
Droughts and famines in Russia and the USSR tended to occur on a fairly regular basis, with famine occurring every 10–13 years and droughts every 5–7 years.
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The first famine in the USSR happened in 1921-1923 and garnered wide international attention. It was mostly due to forceful confiscation of grain and other policies of the Soviet government [1]. The most affected area being the Southeastern areas of European Russia (including Volga area, or Povolzhye, especially national republics of Idel-Ural, see 1921-1922 Famine in Tatarstan) and Ukraine. Fridtjof Nansen was honored with the 1922 Nobel Prize for Peace, in part for his work as High Commissioner for Relief In Russia. Other organizations that helped to combat the Soviet famine were UISE (Union Internationale de Secours aux Enfants, International Save the Children Union) and the International Red Cross.
The second Soviet famine happened during the collectivisation in the USSR. In 1932-1933 confiscations of grain and other food by the Soviet authorities caused a famine which affected more than 40 million people, especially in the south on the Don and Kuban areas and in Ukraine, where by various estimates from 5 to 10 million may have starved to death (the event known as Holodomor). Estimates of deaths due to the 1932-1933 famine vary wildly, but are typically given in the range of millions. About 200,000 Kazakh nomads fled to China, Iran, Mongolia and Afghanistan during the famine.
Although famines were taking place in various parts of the USSR in 1932-33, for example in Kazakhstan, parts of Russia and the Volga German Republic, the name Holodomor is specifically applied to the events that took place in territories populated by ethnic Ukrainians.
The last major famine in the USSR happened mainly in 1947 as a cumulative effect of consequences of collectivization, war damage, the severe drought in 1946 in over 50% of the grain-productive zone of the country and government social policy and mismanagement of grain reserves.

Show me such widespread American famine. Show them to me.

Now let's look specifically at the Holodomor, basically a Ukranian holocaust perpetrated by the Soviets via mass withholding of food. The tools of collectivization allowed the government to have power over the people's basic sustenance that would never happen in a free economy. It's insane.

Now let's look at less deadly, but still poverty inducing, consequences of the Soviet Union's policies:
Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture...ve_farming
Hedrick Smith, wrote in The Russians (1976) that according to Soviet statistics, one fourth of the value of agricultural production in 1973 was produced on the private plots peasants were allowed (2% of the whole arable land).
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In the 1980s 3 % of the land was in private plots, which produced more than a quarter of the total agricultural output, i.e., over ten times more per area than the rest, which was in common ownership. (The Soviet figures claimed that the productivity of a soviet farmer was 20 - 25 % of that of a U.S. farmer in the 1980s.)
This was despite the fact that the Soviet Union had invested enormously to agriculture. Production costs were very high, the Soviet Union had to import food and it had widespread food shortages even though the country had a big share of the best agricultural soil in the world and a high land/population ratio.

Quote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grapes_...Production
The movie [The Grapes of Wrath] was banned in the Soviet Union (USSR) by Joseph Stalin after being shown in Poland because of the depiction that even the poorest Americans could afford a car.

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RE: Greece develops cashless, Euro-free currency in tight economy

So good. But JewPedia is just democratic propaganda on these topics. Don't expect an American to tell you a good word about USSR / Russia.

1957: First intercontinental ballistic missile, the R-7 Semyorka
1957: First satellite, Sputnik 1
1957: First animal in Earth orbit, the dog Laika on Sputnik 2
1959: First rocket ignition in Earth orbit, first man-made object to escape Earth's gravity, Luna 1
1959: First data communications, or telemetry, to and from outer space, Luna 1.
1959: First man-made object to pass near the Moon, first man-made object in Heliocentric orbit, Luna 1
1959: First probe to impact the Moon, Luna 2
1959: First images of the moon's far side, Luna 3
1960: First animals to safely return from Earth orbit, the dogs Belka and Strelka on Sputnik 5.
1961: First probe launched to Venus, Venera 1
1961: First person in space (International definition) and in Earth orbit, Yuri Gagarin on Vostok 1, Vostok programme
1961: First person to spend over 24 hours in space Gherman Titov, Vostok 2 (also first person to sleep in space).
1962: First dual manned spaceflight, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4
1962: First probe launched to Mars, Mars 1
1963: First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Vostok 6
1964: First multi-person crew (3), Voskhod 1
1965: First extra-vehicular activity (EVA), by Aleksei Leonov, Voskhod 2
1965: First probe to hit another planet of the Solar system (Venus), Venera 3
1966: First probe to make a soft landing on and transmit from the surface of the moon, Luna 9
1966: First probe in lunar orbit, Luna 10
1967: First unmanned rendezvous and docking, Cosmos 186/Cosmos 188. (Until 2006, this had remained the only major space achievement that the US had not duplicated.)
1968: First living beings to reach the Moon (circumlunar flights) and return unharmed to Earth, russian tortoises on Zond 5
1969: First docking between two manned craft in Earth orbit and exchange of crews, Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5
1970: First soil samples automatically extracted and returned to Earth from another celestial body, Luna 16
1970: First robotic space rover, Lunokhod 1 on the Moon.
1970: First data received from the surface of another planet of the Solar system (Venus), Venera 7
1971: First space station, Salyut 1
1971: First probe to reach surface and make soft landing on Mars, Mars 2
1975: First probe to orbit Venus, to make soft landing on Venus, first photos from surface of Venus, Venera 9
1980: First Hispanic and Black person in space, Arnaldo Tamayo Méndez on Soyuz 38
1984: First woman to walk in space, Svetlana Savitskaya (Salyut 7 space station)
1986: First crew to visit two separate space stations (Mir and Salyut 7)
1986: First probes to deploy robotic balloons into Venus atmosphere and to return pictures of a comet during close flyby Vega 1, Vega 2
1986: First permanently manned space station, Mir, 1986–2001, with permanent presence on board (1989–1999)
1987: First crew to spend over one year in space, Vladimir Titov and Musa Manarov on board of Soyuz TM-4 - Mir
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