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good and bad responces on education from occupy

my post on the forum: school is slavery

its forced labor without pay


bad responses: Quit. I'll toss you a coin and a French Fry next time I see ya. Or maybe you will be the next Bill Gates.


Fine, don't go to school and stay a dumbass. That will allow you to be manipulated even more.


So quit and deliver pizza.



my responses: Your point is that school is needed, that is an is statement we are talking about ethics so we need an ought statement.
Their ought not to be a government monopoly on education that brainwashes kids not seeing the gun in the room (government).
I can't quit until i turn 18 so I'm going to subvert school and learn on my own until then


I don't think it should be reformed, it is immoral and wrong, its funded by the extortion of money and will always serve the interests of the 1% brainwashing children, we need private alternatives and anarchistic free schools

I'm an agorist, so neither


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Why do some of you regard what are a healthy, normal reactions to the enforced states of physical & psychological captivity entailed in compulsory "education" as some type of defective, infantile raving?
Seems to me that "mature", sensitive, & aware people would give more time & thought to ideas that object to our system(s) of "education" as being infantile itself - limited & limiting - an ignorant breaking of the individual into a machinelike existence, & to be begun at a young age. Is this what you regard as the the cultivation of an advanced, enlightened civilization?
When will people become more aware? And begin regarding these states of enforced captivity as responsible for many of the worst problems we now face in our world, largely as the result of a mechanistic view of life?
There is a relationship, IMO, between human captivity & our compulsion to keep animals, nature, & the environment more & more captive & controlled. I'd say that what we consider school/education is more a reflection of our misguided (& disastrous) approach to the treatment of all living things as pieces of machinery, to be ground down into standardized units by force & fear.


my response: thx for saying what i'm trying to say better than i ever could
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Didn't their movement fail epicly?
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I actually like them, well some of them, and they are still around
02-23-2012 04:28 AM
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(02-22-2012 09:27 PM)iexist Wrote:  Why do some of you regard what are a healthy, normal reactions to the enforced states of physical & psychological captivity entailed in compulsory "education" as some type of defective, infantile raving?
Seems to me that "mature", sensitive, & aware people would give more time & thought to ideas that object to our system(s) of "education" as being infantile itself - limited & limiting - an ignorant breaking of the individual into a machinelike existence, & to be begun at a young age. Is this what you regard as the the cultivation of an advanced, enlightened civilization?
When will people become more aware? And begin regarding these states of enforced captivity as responsible for many of the worst problems we now face in our world, largely as the result of a mechanistic view of life?
There is a relationship, IMO, between human captivity & our compulsion to keep animals, nature, & the environment more & more captive & controlled. I'd say that what we consider school/education is more a reflection of our misguided (& disastrous) approach to the treatment of all living things as pieces of machinery, to be ground down into standardized units by force & fear.
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02-23-2012 06:30 AM
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Lol occupy: The failed movement of 25 - 45 year olds who are pissed off because they realized that $50000 English degree they earned is absolutely worthless.
02-23-2012 08:44 AM
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(02-23-2012 08:44 AM)Aya Wrote:  Lol occupy: The failed movement of 25 - 45 year olds who are pissed off because they realized that $50000 English degree they earned is absolutely worthless.

Not just that but yeah their idiots.

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(02-23-2012 08:44 AM)Aya Wrote:  Lol occupy: The failed movement of 25 - 45 year olds who are pissed off because they realized that $50000 English degree they earned is absolutely worthless.

I loled. Though change that $50,000 to $100,000 for many of them.

I was almost one of those. Spending $100,000 for a shit English or Teaching degree. My parents threatened to not pay for my college if I dropped out of the expensive fucking worthless school. I dropped out anyway after a year because $100,000 for those degrees is a waste of money. They still pay for my college.

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I like how nobody on SS knows what OWS is about. lol

Not even gonna bother here though, would be a waste of energy.

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(02-23-2012 10:01 AM)Desu Wrote:  I like how nobody on SS knows what OWS is about. lol

Not even gonna bother here though, would be a waste of energy.

I know what it is about, but they have no direction and gave no defined goals.

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(02-23-2012 10:01 AM)Desu Wrote:  I like how nobody on SS knows what OWS is about. lol
Not even gonna bother here though, would be a waste of energy.



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(02-23-2012 10:01 AM)Desu Wrote:  I like how nobody on SS knows what OWS is about. lol

Not even gonna bother here though, would be a waste of energy.

Desus OWS doesn't even know what OWS is about.
Pretty much agree with unschool.

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