Porn vs Art

[Vatman]

One can argue that labels are meaningless. But lets face it, we are victims of terminology however hard we try and avoid it. On to the point.

I've recently started drawing the nude form on a consistent basis. And I find great pleasure in shading in thighs with charcoal, smudging the lines like a god to create the eventual signs of aging. There is a clear separation of the sexual while you sketch, large breasts are nothing more than a pain to properly proportion. The human body is unquestionably beautiful to another human; it's a given. But how do we differentiate between mediums while keeping the subject in perspective.

I watched a supper indie-hipster-esc(notthatgreat) film called "Cash Back" with a friend of mine....and multiple times in the movie there appeared the exposed body of woman. After the movie was over he claimed that there were so many naked women that the movie border-lined on pornography. Now mind you the movie was extremely pseudo-intellectual (and extreeeemmmeeellllly sexist without meaning to be) ... but I for some reason couldn't outright call it porn.

As such my new opinion is that porn is about body-parts. Art is about people.

[CrayolaColours]

My opinion, it has much to do with the creators intent, and the way it makes the viewer, umm... feel. If they're drawing a naked figure, because they find it interesting, and/or for practice, then it isn't porn, however, even if they don't intend it to be, if a good number of people fap to it, it's porn. Maybe not intentional, but it is all the same. And of course, it's porn if the creator WANT'S it to be, no exceptions. It may not be good, and no one will fap to it, but it's still porn.

"Intent" is a word brought up constantly in art. Especially any "what is art?" thread or conversation ever. Unoriginal as it is, I agree with it. Though, you're right, too. (unless the creator likes jacking off to boxes, or something, and decided to draw a sexy box)

[HeartofShadows]

Pornography or porn is the portrayal of explicit sexual subject matter for the purposes of sexual excitement and erotic satisfaction.

Art is the product or process of deliberately arranging symbolic elements in a way that influences and affects one or more of the senses, emotions, and intellect. It encompasses a diverse range of human activities, creations, and modes of expression, including music, literature, film, photography, sculpture, and paintings. The meaning of art is explored in a branch of philosophy known as aesthetics, and even disciplines such as history and psychoanalysis analyze its relationship with humans and generations.

[Vatman]

Quote:"Intent" is a word brought up constantly in art. Especially any "what is art?" thread or conversation ever. Unoriginal as it is, I agree with it. Though, you're right, too. (unless the creator likes jacking off to boxes, or something, and decided to draw a sexy box)

Intent is an issue for me, because once a piece of art is shared, its no longer the property of the artist's.


See sometimes art doesn't effect people in more than one way. I mean a painting of a puppy doesn't necessarily have to be anything more than it is. And can't you say the same about pornography?

Of course pornography is primarily sexual. But sometimes its grotesque. Like for example torture porn, like the saw movies, or gore in general. Who is to say that a woman surrounded in a sea of erect men isn't a symbol for something on its own?

[CrayolaColours]

Vatman Wrote:

Quote:"Intent" is a word brought up constantly in art. Especially any "what is art?" thread or conversation ever. Unoriginal as it is, I agree with it. Though, you're right, too. (unless the creator likes jacking off to boxes, or something, and decided to draw a sexy box)

Intent is an issue for me, because once a piece of art is shared, its no longer the property of the artist's.


See sometimes art doesn't effect people in more than one way. I mean a painting of a puppy doesn't necessarily have to be anything more than it is. And can't you say the same about pornography?

Of course pornography is primarily sexual. But sometimes its grotesque. Like for example torture porn, like the saw movies, or gore in general. Who is to say that a woman surrounded in a sea of erect men isn't a symbol for something on its own?

I lol'd.

Somehow, I'm not understanding the post. I think I'm tired.

[HeartofShadows]

CrayolaColours Wrote:Somehow, I'm not understanding the post. I think I'm tired.

No Vatman just talks like that and its like a school assignment to decipher his words.

[Rastko]

Everything is art. The very life itself is art.

[Vatman]

Generalizing the entirety of existence as an art form is of course romantic and I would even say accurate. But it lacks the pragmatism of the human perspective of creation. If everything is already art, why would you bother to express yourself on a canvas when there are already majestic rivers that can symbolize flow?

[Faby]

I think it's easy to tell porn from not-porn, by means of the standard porn tropes, like closeups on dongs and bajingos, money shots, extremely unrealistic moaning, etc.

But there might be artsy porn out there that doesn't stick to tropes, so I might be wrong.