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Is unschooling for everyone?
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Is unschooling for everyone?

I am in no way supporting the education system that we have now. I think that it's outdated, oppressive and ineffective. But I am not sure if I should lend my support to universal unschooling or homeschooling because I think that it only works for a small group of people.

I, for example, come from an immigrant family. My parents could hardly write or speak English, so how are they supposed to teach me how to read or write? In addition, they are overburdened by their own meager-paying jobs, and can't afford to quit it to homeschool me. This also applies to millions of other families.

As a child, I was also obsessed with video games, so had I had my own way I wouldn't have had the motivation to learn about the world by myself. I would be too busy escaping in fictional worlds like Skyrim and completely ignoring everything around me. I believe that things like video games and the internet make it hard for children to interact with and learn about the real world. (Or maybe that's just me.)

I apologize if I sound ignorant, but what do you guys have to say about this?
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RE: Is unschooling for everyone?

yes.

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RE: Is unschooling for everyone?

(02-04-2012 04:58 PM)NeuroSmog Wrote:  I am in no way supporting the education system that we have now. I think that it's outdated, oppressive and ineffective. But I am not sure if I should lend my support to universal unschooling or homeschooling because I think that it only works for a small group of people.
The only way school is better is if your parents abuse you or you live in a crack den or something.

Quote:I, for example, come from an immigrant family. My parents could hardly write or speak English, so how are they supposed to teach me how to read or write? In addition, they are overburdened by their own meager-paying jobs, and can't afford to quit it to homeschool me. This also applies to millions of other families.
Unschooling doesn't require your parents to do a lot for you. Of course you'll have less opportunities if your family is poor, but school doesn't make it any better, it makes it worse.

Quote:As a child, I was also obsessed with video games, so had I had my own way I wouldn't have had the motivation to learn about the world by myself. I would be too busy escaping in fictional worlds like Skyrim and completely ignoring everything around me. I believe that things like video games and the internet make it hard for children to interact with and learn about the real world. (Or maybe that's just me.)
Maybe when you got older you would have wanted to make your own game and then you would have investigated how to do that. You can never know what you would have done.

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RE: Is unschooling for everyone?

(02-04-2012 04:58 PM)NeuroSmog Wrote:  I am in no way supporting the education system that we have now. I think that it's outdated, oppressive and ineffective. But I am not sure if I should lend my support to universal unschooling or homeschooling because I think that it only works for a small group of people.

I, for example, come from an immigrant family. My parents could hardly write or speak English, so how are they supposed to teach me how to read or write? In addition, they are overburdened by their own meager-paying jobs, and can't afford to quit it to homeschool me. This also applies to millions of other families.

As a child, I was also obsessed with video games, so had I had my own way I wouldn't have had the motivation to learn about the world by myself. I would be too busy escaping in fictional worlds like Skyrim and completely ignoring everything around me. I believe that things like video games and the internet make it hard for children to interact with and learn about the real world. (Or maybe that's just me.)

I apologize if I sound ignorant, but what do you guys have to say about this?

Holy shit, you're almost exactly in the same situation as me. Just being pretty much addicted to computers sets me back from doing anything else. If school simply wasn't so compulsory and shitty in terms of general respect toward students, I'd probably be perfectly happy to go (since my parents'd make me, and I don't hate the academic part of it that much, at least for math and science, since at the moment I 'do decently' on it).

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RE: Is unschooling for everyone?

As someone said earlier, unschooling isn't about your parents teaching you, it's about being free to learn what you like, how you like it. In a highly litterate and visual society such as ours the only way to *fail* at learning to write is by being unlucky enough with school related grading, teachers and all their crap which hampers learning.

From reading The Teenage Liberation Handbook, (which I suggest you do as well, it's easy to find it as a free PDF file with google), the best homeschooling experience wasn't of rich kids who stayed in and were tottered by their parents, but rather those who went and did whatever the fuck they wanted to do with minimal parental interference. It's goes without saying that very early on you'll want to know stuff your parents can't help you with anyway.

Lastly, about gaming addiction, I believe both from my own and others' personal experience that the stifling boredom of school induces the need for mindless entertaiment, be it computers, reality shows, general TV or more self destructive mechanism such as drugs or violence. With freedom and time on your hands you are very likely to grow bored out of doing NOTHING beside gaming, and if it's truly your passion there are quite a few professional gamers or simple designers out there.
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RE: Is unschooling for everyone?

(02-04-2012 10:24 PM)Ami Wrote:  Lastly, about gaming addiction, I believe both from my own and others' personal experience that the stifling boredom of school induces the need for mindless entertaiment, be it computers, reality shows, general TV or more self destructive mechanism such as drugs or violence. With freedom and time on your hands you are very likely to grow bored out of doing NOTHING beside gaming, and if it's truly your passion there are quite a few professional gamers or simple designers out there.

Why does everything have to be converted into a career? What's wrong with hobbies and just enjoying things, and not worrying that you're wasting your time and that you aren't learning?

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(02-04-2012 10:52 PM)Faby Wrote:  
(02-04-2012 10:24 PM)Ami Wrote:  Lastly, about gaming addiction, I believe both from my own and others' personal experience that the stifling boredom of school induces the need for mindless entertaiment, be it computers, reality shows, general TV or more self destructive mechanism such as drugs or violence. With freedom and time on your hands you are very likely to grow bored out of doing NOTHING beside gaming, and if it's truly your passion there are quite a few professional gamers or simple designers out there.

Why does everything have to be converted into a career? What's wrong with hobbies and just enjoying things, and not worrying that you're wasting your time and that you aren't learning?

This, but if your self-employed business is flushed down the toilet you have to do something, and employers think piece of paper = genuinely smart and competent, and no piece of paper = retard who cant add 2+2. Shame what school has done to society. No one knows if someone is smart or naive just by looking at a piece of paper.
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(02-04-2012 10:52 PM)Faby Wrote:  
(02-04-2012 10:24 PM)Ami Wrote:  Lastly, about gaming addiction, I believe both from my own and others' personal experience that the stifling boredom of school induces the need for mindless entertaiment, be it computers, reality shows, general TV or more self destructive mechanism such as drugs or violence. With freedom and time on your hands you are very likely to grow bored out of doing NOTHING beside gaming, and if it's truly your passion there are quite a few professional gamers or simple designers out there.

Why does everything have to be converted into a career? What's wrong with hobbies and just enjoying things, and not worrying that you're wasting your time and that you aren't learning?

This, but if your self-employed business is flushed down the toilet you have to do something, and employers think piece of paper = genuinely smart and competent, and no piece of paper = retard who cant add 2+2. Shame what school has done to society. No one knows if someone is smart or naive just by looking at a piece of paper.
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RE: Is unschooling for everyone?

Everyone unschools all the time even if they're in school or doing homeschooling. How much time they can devote to unschooling depends on how much time their other schooling takes away.

So yes, it is for everyone. But that doesn't mean it's always practical.

Also, internets = huge resource of information where you can learn almost anything.

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(02-05-2012 12:12 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Everyone unschools all the time even if they're in school or doing homeschooling. How much time they can devote to unschooling depends on how much time their other schooling takes away.

So yes, it is for everyone. But that doesn't mean it's always practical.

Also, internets = huge resource of information where you can learn almost anything.

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(02-04-2012 10:52 PM)Faby Wrote:  
(02-04-2012 10:24 PM)Ami Wrote:  Lastly, about gaming addiction, I believe both from my own and others' personal experience that the stifling boredom of school induces the need for mindless entertaiment, be it computers, reality shows, general TV or more self destructive mechanism such as drugs or violence. With freedom and time on your hands you are very likely to grow bored out of doing NOTHING beside gaming, and if it's truly your passion there are quite a few professional gamers or simple designers out there.

Why does everything have to be converted into a career? What's wrong with hobbies and just enjoying things, and not worrying that you're wasting your time and that you aren't learning?

Nothing's wrong with simple hobbies, but the OP seemed worrier about this part amongst others so I tried to assauge his worries.
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