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The Inherent Problem With Utopian Society
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The Inherent Problem With Utopian Society

A lot of people want a perfect life. And a lot of people realize that this is not something that would benefit them. Or their partner. Or their friends. Or their family. Or any individual, really. Unfortunately, the former number is larger than the latter number. People think that it's because it'll be boring, and yes, this is true. But it is only half the truth, and people often lack a reason when it comes to this.

I'm not saying their logic is wrong. It's almost always correct. But they often don't realize what, exactly, their logic is.

Their logic is pretty simple, it's the basis on which all human interaction is based on: Contrast.

Think about the happiest moments in your life. They were pretty good, right? Lots of euphoria, carelessness? Now, think of those moments without having experienced any sadness, any loss or anger. It's subdued, correct? Imagine an entire life like that. It's pointless, meaningless.

But, of course, you can still contrast happiness to a lack of emotions, albeit not as well. However, in a Utopian society, there are going to be sacrifices. Violent activities will be cut, drastically reducing adrenaline levels worldwide. One could argue that without contrast, the stimulant for that activity will be raised, but adrenaline is an instinctual thing, and without correct exposure to it, adrenaline only sets off the 'flight' mechanism.

My argument has unfortunate implications. The world needs bad people. It needs complications, and not just small ones. Small complications just create shallow emotional depth. And without emotional depth, well... What measure is a non-human? What would be the point of living, knowing full well the fruitlessness of your own actions, and without having the deep emotional constructs that give someone pleasure? There would be no point.


Now, there is a reason I'm saying all this. It's entirely relevant to the modern age. We are heading along this track very quickly. People are trying to make this reality and it's not helpful. Worse still, prior to making this reality, they're attempting to force the illusion of this reality onto their children, which simply causes emotional shock when introduced to society and a dramatic rise in depression levels in countries which are prosperous or sheltered enough to actively enforce this belief.

So, what should we do about it? We need to make an incredibly hypocritical attack at this. Inform anyone naïve enough to believe this bullshit to toughen the fuck up, whilst spreading the idea that happiness, along with several other emotions, are easily attainable through various, easily controllable triggers (such as facial expression, music, company and a healthy lifestyle). We can make a perfect society without making a perfect society, which would ruin the concept of a perfect society.

Aaaaaand I'm done.

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I remember you told me this in a PM.
It's logical. So if life is suppose to be a mixture of good and bad, maybe we need school?
I'm just sayin' xP

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Efstratios Wrote:I remember you told me this in a PM.
It's logical. So if life is suppose to be a mixture of good and bad, maybe we need school?
I'm just sayin' xP

I said we need bad things, not meaningless restrictions which over time turn an entire 12-13 years of your life into a mind-numbing stupor. It provides no contrast.

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Yes, but, we could still do without war. We can have our own minor conflicts, but us dying of nukes wouldn't be very fun either. That's my idea of Utopian society. Everything the way it is, but without major war.

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We need a bogeyman.

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By that you mean...?

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The only way we can ever have a utopia is if everyone was the same and thought the same. There would be no contrast, but even then, that would be a boring life.
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Genuine anarchist put out the main conflict with any sort of utopia or ideal.

Free will which allows people to go against any sort of belief or ideal to do what they please.
Without free will there could be a utopia of sorts but deep down we like all the conflict, violence and death not to mention our free will so your right awol in that a utopia is never going to happen.

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In the words of George Carlin "We love war, were good at it." America itself averages a major war about every 20 years its our hobby, to have peace we would have to have some serous brain rebuilding or a target on another world.
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I know for a fact I'd be bored out of my mind if the world was perfect and everyone was always happy. I'd probably become a supervillian just to stir shit up.

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Anyone here ever read Brave New World by Alduous Huxley? It's about a "utopia" where people are happy all the time, free from commitments such as family and friends, encouraged to have sex and go out and party all the time, and take soma (some pills) every time they feel a little bad or depressed. That's what happens when you try to make everyone happy all the time; happiness loses its value because there is no evil to contrast it to (though the book was more of an attack on our Western consumer culture and shallow values).
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genuine anarchist Wrote:Anyone here ever read Brave New World by Alduous Huxley?

Yeah who hasn't?

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HeartofShadows Wrote:
genuine anarchist Wrote:Anyone here ever read Brave New World by Alduous Huxley?

Yeah who hasn't?

This. Actually, thanks for reminding me, that book's overdue from like a year back.

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no, the main problem with a utopian society is that THERE ARE NO NINJAS
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No, there'd have to be.Otherwise it wouldn't be Utopian.

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AWOL Wrote:No, there'd have to be.Otherwise it wouldn't be Utopian.
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A Utopia is, literally, a society which includes all aspects of it (it being society). Ninjas are still part of society. It would have to include them.

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Utopia is Greek for "non place".

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We're not talking about Greek here. That's the English usage.

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I am pretty sure this conclusion of yours is obvious.
To put it simply:
Let's think that negative things are black.
Positive things are white.
Mixed patterns made with both colors are more interesting, aren't they?

Getting as close as possible without reaching perfection is awesome. Nothing must be perfect. Else it's just basically nothing.

It isn't life if you're this Donald Duck's cousin guy whose name I dunno in English who's got good luck and all.

It isn't utopia if there is no future to it. Nothing to wait for. And that isn't perfection is it? Perfection can't be perfect, and improve, but in order to not be boring, it should do that.

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If things were perfect, life would get boring. What's the point of looking out the window in the morning if you know it's always going to be *insert your favorite weather here*? It'd be like playing a video game with no antagonist to defeat.

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Oh!! Almost forgot!!
There'd be no schaudenfreude! NO LULZ!!
Nobody would be jealous to you or admire you if you were successful at something because everyone is 100% equal!
There would be no competition. It just, well, is not worth anything.

It'd be mediocre. Yes. I am calling perfection mediocre.

I'm so happy it doesn't exist.

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itd mean no more 4chan :C
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Why does everyone seem to believe that a perfect world would be bad?

I'll just go ahead and define "perfect" as "absolute happiness."

Absolute happiness does not mean drudgery. It doesn't mean a deadening of the senses. It doesn't imply boredom or any of that shit.

And people who always say "boo, a perfectly happy world would be SOOO boring," I invite them to live on the street, or feed on rats, or get cancer.

Let's see how they change then.

I believe most people here are rich faggots who've never had to worry about having food on their table the next day.

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Faby Wrote:Why does everyone seem to believe that a perfect world would be bad?

I'll just go ahead and define "perfect" as "absolute happiness."

Absolute happiness does not mean drudgery. It doesn't mean a deadening of the senses. It doesn't imply boredom or any of that shit.

And people who always say "boo, a perfectly happy world would be SOOO boring," I invite them to live on the street, or feed on rats, or get cancer.

Let's see how they change then.

I believe most people here are rich faggots who've never had to worry about having food on their table the next day.


I don't mean a perfectly happy world, I mean a perfect world.

Big difference. Not enough resources to sustain constant happiness among all groups in the same way, which is why it's often a choice between sections of the Earth suffering from disparity, or the entirety of the Earth suffering from mild to extreme resource to depletion.

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lololol rich faggot right i earned my shit sir my dads a jew with his money when has any ( he loses job because hes a control freak and has a temper to boot)
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Could you talk in a language that vaugely resembles english please
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Time to get mah lynching chains...

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