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Ontological Proof of Soulmates

P1. One's soulmate is the most perfect conceivable mate for that person.
P2. All other things being equal, an extant mate is more perfect than a non-extant mate.
P3. It is possible to conceive of existence.
C. Soulmates exist.

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(01-27-2012 04:32 PM)Lunatic Wrote:  Wat?

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RE: Ontological Proof of Soulmates

It's like the ontological proof of god.

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RE: Ontological Proof of Soulmates

Except that's crap because I can conceive of shit that doesn't exist.

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(01-27-2012 04:39 PM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  Except that's crap because I can conceive of shit that doesn't exist.

Yep.

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What's an ontological? Because "ontological" is totally a noun and not an adjective, FSALKFASFAFAFAF.

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(01-27-2012 04:42 PM)Lunatic Wrote:  What's an ontological? Because "ontological" is totally a noun and not an adjective, FSALKFASFAFAFAF.

It's an adjective. It means having to do with the nature of things that exist. I asked wiktionary.

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RE: Ontological Proof of Soulmates

The butterfly god is that than which no greater butterfly can be conceived.
One that exists is greater than one that doesn't exist.
The greatest butterfly would also be floating right in front of me right now. I get to decide that, because "greatness" is subjective.

Therefore, there is a butterfly right in front of me now.












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<stolen>
I was praying to God one day...
I realized I was talking to myself.
Therefore, I am God.
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I don't get it. Confused

Plain normal English please. Laugh

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RE: Ontological Proof of Soulmates

The ontological argument for the existence of god says

God is the greatest conceivable thing.
One that exists is greater than one that doesn't exist.
Existence is conceivable.
Therefore, the greatest conceivable thing, i.e. god, exists.

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Okay. So basically... conceiving of stuff makes it exist?

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From wikipedia

1.Our understanding of God is a being than which no greater can be conceived.
2.The idea of God exists in the mind.
3.A being which exists both in the mind and in reality is greater than a being that exists only in the mind.
4.If God only exists in the mind, then we can conceive of a greater being - that which exists in reality.
5.We cannot be imagining something that is greater than God.
6.Therefore, God exists

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If the universe is infinite, then a perfect mate exists somewhere in the universe, because in an infinite universe everything that can happen does happen
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(01-28-2012 12:05 PM)psychopath Wrote:  If the universe is infinite, then a perfect mate exists somewhere in the universe, because in an infinite universe everything that can happen does happen

well it isn't, and also you don't know that the perfect mate even can happen.

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(01-28-2012 05:36 AM)Prince Rilian Wrote:  From wikipedia

1.Our understanding of God is a being than which no greater can be conceived.
2.The idea of God exists in the mind.
3.A being which exists both in the mind and in reality is greater than a being that exists only in the mind.
4.If God only exists in the mind, then we can conceive of a greater being - that which exists in reality.
5.We cannot be imagining something that is greater than God.
6.Therefore, God exists

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My mom told me that once when we were arguing about God... thankfully my parents aren't extremist Christians, but after she said that, I think she quoted the same guy who made the first "ontological argument" or whatever the fuck. I told her that what that "being" would be unpredictable and impossible to prove, different people think of different "superior" beings. Just because people think something exists doesn't mean it does.

lol "ontological argument", pseudointellectuality ftw
(01-28-2012 12:05 PM)psychopath Wrote:  If the universe is infinite, then a perfect mate exists somewhere in the universe, because in an infinite universe everything that can happen does happen

Unless it looks like a Gaussian curve... but equaling zero at some point. fgasd
As in most/ALL of it being infinite empty space with some matter and shit... is dat possibre

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(01-28-2012 12:22 PM)Prince Rilian Wrote:  well it isn't

By saying it isn't, you're saying that it's finite, and nobody knows if it's finite either.
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(01-28-2012 12:05 PM)psychopath Wrote:  If the universe is infinite, then a perfect mate exists somewhere in the universe, because in an infinite universe everything that can happen does happen

Timelines, though. Like, your "perfect mate" may have lived one hundred years ago. Plus, like lunatic or somebody said, there is no proof of a "perfect mate", and even if there were such beings we'd have no means to identify them. Unfortunately it seems as though our psychological sciences sector is lacking.

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(01-28-2012 12:59 PM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  
(01-28-2012 12:05 PM)psychopath Wrote:  If the universe is infinite, then a perfect mate exists somewhere in the universe, because in an infinite universe everything that can happen does happen

Timelines, though. Like, your "perfect mate" may have lived one hundred years ago

If the universe is infinite, then there are an infinite number of identical perfect mates out there(right now), there are an infinite number of identical versions of you out there, hitler is still alive, etc.

For this to be true you have to accept 2 premises, that the universe is infinite and that if the universe is infinite, everything that can happen does happen.
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I suppose that makes sense, the latter premise is the one that makes me a bit sceptical, although I admit it makes sense.

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(01-28-2012 12:41 PM)psychopath Wrote:  
(01-28-2012 12:22 PM)Prince Rilian Wrote:  well it isn't

By saying it isn't, you're saying that it's finite, and nobody knows if it's finite either.

I read in a science book that it's finite. Supposedly the physicists know this now. w/e

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(01-28-2012 01:03 PM)psychopath Wrote:  
(01-28-2012 12:59 PM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  
(01-28-2012 12:05 PM)psychopath Wrote:  If the universe is infinite, then a perfect mate exists somewhere in the universe, because in an infinite universe everything that can happen does happen

Timelines, though. Like, your "perfect mate" may have lived one hundred years ago

If the universe is infinite, then there are an infinite number of identical perfect mates out there(right now), there are an infinite number of identical versions of you out there, hitler is still alive, etc.

For this to be true you have to accept 2 premises, that the universe is infinite and that if the universe is infinite, everything that can happen does happen.

In your original wording, there was only one premise, the universe being infinite, and you said that "everything that can happen does happen" would be a consequence of the universe being infinite. Now you're saying there are two premises >:(

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(01-28-2012 01:40 PM)Prince Rilian Wrote:  In your original wording, there was only one premise,

In my first post I didn't break up my argument to show all the premises, I thought it was obvious.

Quote:I read in a science book that it's finite. Supposedly the physicists know this now. w/e

Well the book you read was retarded, because scientists definitely do not know that the universe is finite.
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(01-28-2012 01:45 PM)psychopath Wrote:  
(01-28-2012 01:40 PM)Prince Rilian Wrote:  In your original wording, there was only one premise,

In my first post I didn't break up my argument to show all the premises, I thought it was obvious.

To me it sounded like you were saying that if you accept that the universe is infinite, then you have to accept that anything that can happen does happen.

oh well, it's all silly anyway.

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(01-28-2012 02:00 PM)Prince Rilian Wrote:  that if you accept that the universe is infinite, then you have to accept that anything that can happen does happen.

You don't have to, but maybe you should. This guy http://www.nickbostrom.com/ also uses the same premise for some of his arguments.[/i]
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Or maybe not? Just because it's infinite doesn't prove that everything that can happen will, I don't think. MEH MY LOGIC IS FAILING ME TO TIRED

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Quote:no means to identify them
I think this is the biggest problem. In order to identify one, you'd have to get to know them really really well, and how many people does the average person get to know really really well in one lifetime? Not a whole lot I'd imagine...

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GUYS GUYS GUYS
The point was that this "proof" is stupid bullshit. It's just a parody of the god thing.

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