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Against INdustrial Capitalism/ Civilization (DEBATE)
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(02-06-2012 03:18 PM)Aya Wrote:  Once again you fail.
I have to agree with Ayliana.

FFS shotgun, read her post.
This is you, shotgun: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Willful_ignorance
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias


Quote:Without amino acids we can't get the nutrients.

legumes (cooked dried beans, dried peas, and lentils) are low in sulfur-containing amino acids (such as methionine), but they are high in another amino acid called lysine. Grains are just the opposite. So if you eat both foods during the course of a day, you can get all the essential amino acids your body needs.

Quote:Our bodies need saturated fats, and proteins to absorb nutrients.
No, we don't need protein to absorb nutrients; we need amino acids to do that, which come FROM protein. Aside from all the previously listed non-meat products where you can get protein, here is a list of (some) foods where you can get saturated fat: cream, cheese, butter, coconut oil, cottonseed oil, palm kernel oil, chocolate.

Quote:Just because they contain those nutrients doesn't mean we can absorb them.
What do you think happens when you eat food? You DIGEST it, and as a result, you derive nutrients from it. So yes, it is absorbable.

Quote:Watch the video I posted for Stadium, and also you should watch this documentary Fat-Head it pretty much explains all the bullshit we've been fed about fats and protein leading to heart disease.
That video is unaccredited bullshit. You can tell because it has comments disabled and because of its obvious http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Correlation..._causation

Benefits of eating vegetarian over meat-consuming:

-Lower cholesterol levels.
-Lower BMIs (body mass index).
-Less risk of dying from coronary artery disease (CAD).
-Less risk of getting high blood pressure.
-Less risk of getting prostate or colorectal cancer.
-Less risk of getting type 2 diabetes.

Quote:The comments are from a bunch of veganfags who are starving saturated fats which makes them act like morons.
>Implying they are starving
>Implying saturated fats lead are connected with higher brain function

Quote:What's with this fallacy shit? It is the NATURAL CYCLE of life. It's called an ECO-SYSTEM. I'm not selling you nature. We are talking about nature. DUHHH!
By that "logic" (Deliberate appeal to nature fallacy) cancer is natural, so you should go get cancer. Now.

Quote:There does have to be. We need leadership, and consensual authority to maintain order. That doesn't mean centralized government, or some shit. But in an organized community there needs to be a system of that is equal and there will always be positions and hierarchy. Like some people might be better at other things, or know more. And there will need to be organization and roles to rotate work.

"vast resources at the disposal" see that's the problem, you are thinking like a instrumentalist, capitalistic, anthropocentric, liberal. Agriculture, only grows humans, which it is undesirable. The natural world, is a living thing, and is not a "resources".

This in itself is a hierarchy. How can we live in harmony with each other, if we can't maintain harmony in with the real creatures of the real world, which we depend on?
We can live perfectly fine without hierarchy. Sure, some will be more intelligent/stronger than others, but equality of life isn't the same as equality of ability. The only way of opening hierarchy is to instate a system based of it. If everyone just laid off that shit we wouldn't have this problem. If we produce end products and distribute them without regulation there really isn't a problem.

Also, whats with this "industrial liberal crap"? Why should I wait around in a world filled with RESOURCES when they're ripe for the taking? All you're doing is applying 'dignity' which is an anthropomophic trait to non-anthropomorphic objects. The earth can't feel, neither can rocks or twigs and shit. The earth doesn't give a damn what we do on it. Yours is a clear-cut http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy --by your "logic" you need to gtfo the computer and stop disgracing it with your un-eco-holy fingers by touching something that used to be a glorious series of useless, disassembled plastics.

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Shotgun this is an important question.
You do realize there are vegans that eat NO meat or meat products living healthier than you right now??

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but shes morally superior shut up arcade
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(02-07-2012 02:42 AM)SaintVicious Wrote:  but shes morally superior shut up arcade
Murdering animals and devouring their entrails is moral?


SEEMS LEGIT.

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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself." The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
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Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes." The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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(02-07-2012 04:25 AM)Sociopath Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 02:42 AM)SaintVicious Wrote:  but shes morally superior shut up arcade
Murdering animals and devouring their entrails is moral?


SEEMS LEGIT.

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anyone who says that clearly doesn't know what a perspective is LoL
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(02-07-2012 02:42 AM)SaintVicious Wrote:  but shes morally superior shut up arcade

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Look, just fucking listen you guys. For once. Step outside of your anthropocentric, scientific, instrumentalist, colonialist, liberal mindsets and see the fucking truth.

We are in PEAK OIL.The planet is DYING. These systems, civilization, capitalism, corporatism, do not work with LIFE.

We don't need this shit, it's fucking us OVER. Socialism, WON'T work. We cannot have infinite growth, or economic equality at the expense of EVERY LIVING FUCKING THING!

We do not live in a real democracy. The purpose of government is to protect the economists. To uphold the interests of the fucking capitalist. WHo are cold and calculating, and hold the market above ALL.

We live in a dystopia. Corporate caco-topia. It's KILLING US, and EVERYTHING!

Just because we benefit as bystanders from this system, does not fucking mean it's going to last. FUCK THAT SHIT!




To be an anarchist, is to suffer greatly. To be a black woman is to suffer secretly. To be the earth, is to suffer silently.

I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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Here we go again... Its like she honestly thinks repeating the same shit over and over even after she's proved wrong will make us believe her. Argumentum ad nauseam [/php]

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(02-07-2012 01:26 PM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  We are in PEAK OIL.The planet is DYING. These systems, civilization, capitalism, corporatism, do not work with LIFE.

Oh shut the fuck up. No one who describes themselves as a "reverse vegan" has the right to bitch about peak oil. You're a direct contributor to the problems you claim to care so much about.
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(02-07-2012 01:37 PM)Aya Wrote:  Here we go again... Its like she honestly thinks repeating the same shit over and over even after she's proved wrong will make us believe her. Argumentum ad nauseam [/php]

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(02-07-2012 01:26 PM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  We are in PEAK OIL.The planet is DYING. These systems, civilization, capitalism, corporatism, do not work with LIFE.

Oh shut the fuck up. No one who describes themselves as a "reverse vegan" has the right to bitch about peak oil. You're a direct contributor to the problems you claim to care so much about.

You make absolutely no sense. And your arguments are myths. Your nature-tooth-in-claw bullshit, to your man against nature shit.

We live in community of living beings. And for the past 10,000 years we've been making the world a shitty place, and working against them.

Trees want to live. Perennials want to blossom. Fauna want to flourish.

THIS CULTURE IS INSANE.

Telling, me to shut the fuck up, means you can't deny the fact that we are heading towards collapse.

To be an anarchist, is to suffer greatly. To be a black woman is to suffer secretly. To be the earth, is to suffer silently.

I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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Nonviolent protests won't do shit. If you want REAL change, you better start throwing molotovs. Occupying anything is useless and you'll get thrown out on your ass when the cops show up (unless they happen to mace you first.)

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Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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(02-07-2012 01:56 PM)Sociopath Wrote:  Nonviolent protests won't do shit. If you want REAL change, you better start throwing molotovs. Occupying anything is useless and you'll get thrown out on your ass when the cops show up (unless they happen to mace you first.)

Strange how you sit on here and criticize people, FOR ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SHIT.

DGR, needs both violence and nonviolence.

I don't consider it violence to try to take down a system that is KILLING you.

So, seriously, sociopath, I'm going to a rally tomorrow, I'm tired of this shit.

This is the opportunity to spread the green anarchist message.

It's always better to fight.

To be an anarchist, is to suffer greatly. To be a black woman is to suffer secretly. To be the earth, is to suffer silently.

I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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(02-07-2012 01:55 PM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  
(02-07-2012 01:37 PM)Aya Wrote:  [php]
(02-07-2012 01:26 PM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  We are in PEAK OIL.The planet is DYING. These systems, civilization, capitalism, corporatism, do not work with LIFE.
Oh shut the fuck up. No one who describes themselves as a "reverse vegan" has the right to bitch about peak oil. You're a direct contributor to the problems you claim to care so much about.
You make absolutely no sense. And your arguments are myths. Your nature-tooth-in-claw bullshit, to your man against nature shit.

The mountain of scientific evidence on my side says otherwise. You're the one who included two extinct species of fucking sub humans in your 'list if indigenous peoples threatened by civilization.' and you want to tell me my arguments are myths. You're a deluded fucking cunt.

But by all means keep howling at a world you're too retarded to understand. Maybe if you howl loud enough someone will lock you up in an insane asylum where you belong.
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Quote:Strange how you sit on here and criticize people, FOR ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SHIT.
Doesn't mean it will be of any use. Unless you use violence, you'll most likely be shrugged off as new age hippies.

But by all means, if you think you can actually do better and use physical force, then do so.

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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself." The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
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Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes." The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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Here we go again.

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(02-07-2012 01:56 PM)Sociopath Wrote:  Nonviolent protests won't do shit. If you want REAL change, you better start throwing molotovs. Occupying anything is useless and you'll get thrown out on your ass when the cops show up (unless they happen to mace you first.)

Truth.
Boys in greece seem to have at least learned from looking at occupy wallstreet though they are focusing on the wrong people.

Oh yeah here we go again.
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people say MLK was nonviolent, he wasn't, he just used violence from the other side, his tactic was to let people see the violence the KKK and such were doing and then how his guys were peaceful, it worked. That's what occupy is going for sympathy for those who are abused by the police, if they fight back they lose the battle for the hearts and minds, and really that's the only one that matters.


Food Not Bombs and Critical Mass have made more anarchists than all the bomb throwing's in the world. Attacking the system is what you do at the end after everyone's on your side and all that is left is to topple the state, until then you fight back through peace, strikes, buy land and set up a commune, rent strikes, tax strikes, counter economics, propaganda, marches, student strikes, gun ownership, secession, not voting and all that.

malatovs might be fun but all they do is let the state say, look you need us, this what you'll see if you fight us.
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