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Where did God come from? Was he just always there or did he have parents who boned?

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And where did his parents come from, if he had any? And then where did THEY come from? Razz

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Where did God come from? I never understood that about religion; the universe had to have a start, so there mustve been a God they say. But wouldn't God have to have a start? Who banged who to make him?

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That's not just about religion though, science has that same dilemma. Something had to have "always" been here to cause the universe to exist... or something. Unless the universe was always here, and/or God is the universe...

Maybe someday we'll figure it out, or maybe we never will.

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Excellent! All is going as according to plan! "laughs maniacally"

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Well, that's a bit creepy... Uhoh

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I haven't bothered reading all of this, but I this to say:

I do not believe in God.

I am a very religious person.

I am really, really tired of religious debates constantly being about God vs. Atheists.

Me, the other Pagans and the Bhuddists are standing there watching, going *ahem*.

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New Agefaf^^

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Quote:I am really, really tired of religious debates constantly being about God vs. Atheists.
Me too. It's so black and white. There's liek, many more colours man.

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(01-28-2012 07:24 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  New Agefaf^^

Lol. Actually I'm an Indian and a punk, so I'm actually the polar opposite of a new-ager as far as pagans go. XD

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(01-31-2012 06:57 AM)Levio_Sah Wrote:  
(01-28-2012 07:24 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  New Agefaf^^

Lol. Actually I'm an Indian and a punk, so I'm actually the polar opposite of a new-ager as far as pagans go. XD

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(01-26-2012 08:03 AM)StadiumArcadium Wrote:  
(01-26-2012 07:50 AM)NightThoughts Wrote:  Explain how everything became the way it is. As in, where did all the matter that supposedly came together and evolved into life come from? Why would a caterpillar dissolve its very being when there's no sure way to predict that it will be arranged into a butterfly during metamorphosis? There's no way that that little trick came about by random chance and natural selection. Imagine millions of years ago when peacocks (the males) didn't have their long tail as a result of "evolution" yet. If one randomly got that tail it would be killed swiftly by predators and wouldn't survive to pass its genes on. Also the fact that the Bible is the most historically proven book in the world. One man, a science student, left atheism because he studied the Bible and couldn't find any contradictions. He is: A devout atheist until his early twenties, Clayton was part of the same organized atheist group that made Madeline Murray O'Hair famous. He decided to write a book called All the Stupidity of the Bible, but instead found himself slowly becoming convinced about Christianity. Today, he travels the U.S. giving some 40 lectures per year on the subject "Does God Exist?" He is a teacher and geologist by profession. He holds a B.S. degree from Indiana University in education with a concentration in physics and mathematics. He holds a M.S. degree from Indiana University in education with a concentration in chemistry and psychometry. He also holds a M.S. degree from the University of Notre Dame in geology and earth science. His most recent honors include: Distinguished Physics Teacher for the State of Indiana--1985 by the American Association of Physics Teachers; S.T.A.R Instructor for Indiana Department of Public Instruction--1990; South Bend Community School Corporation High School Teacher of the Year and School Corporation Teacher of the Year--1991.

Copied that bit from his website. Also, a famous British scientist named Lord Kelvin said, "If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God." And no, the Bible does not promote genocide in the Old Testament, it was following the Middle Eastern style of using sweeping language and expecting that fines be payed in place of life. Hammurabi's Code did the same thing, but not even my Social Studies teacher last year criticized that.

Your first question: I don't know how life came to be here. I don't know what our purpose is, and I have no idea where the matter and whatnot came from. However, I also don't attribute it to a fairy in the sky who's whole religion is just a copy of other religions that were already out there.

Yes, there are many ways that that trick came by due to natural selection and evolution. The fact that we are even here is a miracle, but not really when you consider how big the universe is. That brings me to another point, why would there be a god who made us in his image when there is the rest of the universe (and what's beyond that) out there? The universe is huge, we're just specks of dust on a cosmic scale. I don't see why an all powerful being would waste his time with us when he has an enormous universe to work with.

As for the guy who couldn't find any contradictions in the bible...there are many, many contradictions. I'm not even going to argue this because it would be a waste of my time. Google bible contradictions.

And a question for you: Why not pick one of the other hundreds (or thousands I don't know) of religions out there? What's so special about Christianity? Most likely you were raised to believe in it, like so many Christians are.

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(01-26-2012 08:03 AM)StadiumArcadium Wrote:  
(01-26-2012 07:50 AM)NightThoughts Wrote:  Explain how everything became the way it is. As in, where did all the matter that supposedly came together and evolved into life come from? Why would a caterpillar dissolve its very being when there's no sure way to predict that it will be arranged into a butterfly during metamorphosis? There's no way that that little trick came about by random chance and natural selection. Imagine millions of years ago when peacocks (the males) didn't have their long tail as a result of "evolution" yet. If one randomly got that tail it would be killed swiftly by predators and wouldn't survive to pass its genes on. Also the fact that the Bible is the most historically proven book in the world. One man, a science student, left atheism because he studied the Bible and couldn't find any contradictions. He is: A devout atheist until his early twenties, Clayton was part of the same organized atheist group that made Madeline Murray O'Hair famous. He decided to write a book called All the Stupidity of the Bible, but instead found himself slowly becoming convinced about Christianity. Today, he travels the U.S. giving some 40 lectures per year on the subject "Does God Exist?" He is a teacher and geologist by profession. He holds a B.S. degree from Indiana University in education with a concentration in physics and mathematics. He holds a M.S. degree from Indiana University in education with a concentration in chemistry and psychometry. He also holds a M.S. degree from the University of Notre Dame in geology and earth science. His most recent honors include: Distinguished Physics Teacher for the State of Indiana--1985 by the American Association of Physics Teachers; S.T.A.R Instructor for Indiana Department of Public Instruction--1990; South Bend Community School Corporation High School Teacher of the Year and School Corporation Teacher of the Year--1991.

Copied that bit from his website. Also, a famous British scientist named Lord Kelvin said, "If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God." And no, the Bible does not promote genocide in the Old Testament, it was following the Middle Eastern style of using sweeping language and expecting that fines be payed in place of life. Hammurabi's Code did the same thing, but not even my Social Studies teacher last year criticized that.

Your first question: I don't know how life came to be here. I don't know what our purpose is, and I have no idea where the matter and whatnot came from. However, I also don't attribute it to a fairy in the sky who's whole religion is just a copy of other religions that were already out there.

Yes, there are many ways that that trick came by due to natural selection and evolution. The fact that we are even here is a miracle, but not really when you consider how big the universe is. That brings me to another point, why would there be a god who made us in his image when there is the rest of the universe (and what's beyond that) out there? The universe is huge, we're just specks of dust on a cosmic scale. I don't see why an all powerful being would waste his time with us when he has an enormous universe to work with.

As for the guy who couldn't find any contradictions in the bible...there are many, many contradictions. I'm not even going to argue this because it would be a waste of my time. Google bible contradictions.

And a question for you: Why not pick one of the other hundreds (or thousands I don't know) of religions out there? What's so special about Christianity? Most likely you were raised to believe in it, like so many Christians are.

Oh boy night thoughts doesn't want to get into a science/religion debate with me. Me and stadium could tear her to pieces if she comes back again.

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(01-31-2012 09:31 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  
(01-31-2012 06:57 AM)Levio_Sah Wrote:  
(01-28-2012 07:24 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  New Agefaf^^

Lol. Actually I'm an Indian and a punk, so I'm actually the polar opposite of a new-ager as far as pagans go. XD

wiccanfaf??Huh

Bhuddist?

I identify simply as Pagan at the moment because my beliefs are a combination of pantheism and animism. I guess if I had to pick I would identify with my tribe's beliefs the most.

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Christians make up for lack of proof with lots of useless words. Until there is proof a god exists their words mean nothing to me.
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(02-05-2012 12:09 AM)alexander144 Wrote:  Christians make up for lack of proof with lots of useless words. Until there is proof a god exists their words mean nothing to me.

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Over the past few days, I've come to the realization that being an agnostic is probably the best position you can take in the sense of faith and rationality. I relentlessly preached about the dogmatic ways of Christians and Muslims, and yet never fucking realized that I was doing the exact same thing. I'm going to start studying Wicca and Buddhism, because those seem like interesting religions that respect the natural world, and have their own well-thought out philosophies.

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(01-31-2012 11:35 AM)Derchin Wrote:  
(01-26-2012 08:03 AM)StadiumArcadium Wrote:  
(01-26-2012 07:50 AM)NightThoughts Wrote:  Explain how everything became the way it is. As in, where did all the matter that supposedly came together and evolved into life come from? Why would a caterpillar dissolve its very being when there's no sure way to predict that it will be arranged into a butterfly during metamorphosis? There's no way that that little trick came about by random chance and natural selection. Imagine millions of years ago when peacocks (the males) didn't have their long tail as a result of "evolution" yet. If one randomly got that tail it would be killed swiftly by predators and wouldn't survive to pass its genes on. Also the fact that the Bible is the most historically proven book in the world. One man, a science student, left atheism because he studied the Bible and couldn't find any contradictions. He is: A devout atheist until his early twenties, Clayton was part of the same organized atheist group that made Madeline Murray O'Hair famous. He decided to write a book called All the Stupidity of the Bible, but instead found himself slowly becoming convinced about Christianity. Today, he travels the U.S. giving some 40 lectures per year on the subject "Does God Exist?" He is a teacher and geologist by profession. He holds a B.S. degree from Indiana University in education with a concentration in physics and mathematics. He holds a M.S. degree from Indiana University in education with a concentration in chemistry and psychometry. He also holds a M.S. degree from the University of Notre Dame in geology and earth science. His most recent honors include: Distinguished Physics Teacher for the State of Indiana--1985 by the American Association of Physics Teachers; S.T.A.R Instructor for Indiana Department of Public Instruction--1990; South Bend Community School Corporation High School Teacher of the Year and School Corporation Teacher of the Year--1991.

Copied that bit from his website. Also, a famous British scientist named Lord Kelvin said, "If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God." And no, the Bible does not promote genocide in the Old Testament, it was following the Middle Eastern style of using sweeping language and expecting that fines be payed in place of life. Hammurabi's Code did the same thing, but not even my Social Studies teacher last year criticized that.

Your first question: I don't know how life came to be here. I don't know what our purpose is, and I have no idea where the matter and whatnot came from. However, I also don't attribute it to a fairy in the sky who's whole religion is just a copy of other religions that were already out there.

Yes, there are many ways that that trick came by due to natural selection and evolution. The fact that we are even here is a miracle, but not really when you consider how big the universe is. That brings me to another point, why would there be a god who made us in his image when there is the rest of the universe (and what's beyond that) out there? The universe is huge, we're just specks of dust on a cosmic scale. I don't see why an all powerful being would waste his time with us when he has an enormous universe to work with.

As for the guy who couldn't find any contradictions in the bible...there are many, many contradictions. I'm not even going to argue this because it would be a waste of my time. Google bible contradictions.

And a question for you: Why not pick one of the other hundreds (or thousands I don't know) of religions out there? What's so special about Christianity? Most likely you were raised to believe in it, like so many Christians are.

Oh boy night thoughts doesn't want to get into a science/religion debate with me. Me and stadium could tear her to pieces if she comes back again.

Fuck yeah! Atheist teamwork!!

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I think we need to make a single thread for religious debate and have Soulriser put it up as important thread.

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(01-31-2012 11:35 AM)Derchin Wrote:  
(01-26-2012 08:03 AM)StadiumArcadium Wrote:  
(01-26-2012 07:50 AM)NightThoughts Wrote:  Explain how everything became the way it is. As in, where did all the matter that supposedly came together and evolved into life come from? Why would a caterpillar dissolve its very being when there's no sure way to predict that it will be arranged into a butterfly during metamorphosis? There's no way that that little trick came about by random chance and natural selection. Imagine millions of years ago when peacocks (the males) didn't have their long tail as a result of "evolution" yet. If one randomly got that tail it would be killed swiftly by predators and wouldn't survive to pass its genes on. Also the fact that the Bible is the most historically proven book in the world. One man, a science student, left atheism because he studied the Bible and couldn't find any contradictions. He is: A devout atheist until his early twenties, Clayton was part of the same organized atheist group that made Madeline Murray O'Hair famous. He decided to write a book called All the Stupidity of the Bible, but instead found himself slowly becoming convinced about Christianity. Today, he travels the U.S. giving some 40 lectures per year on the subject "Does God Exist?" He is a teacher and geologist by profession. He holds a B.S. degree from Indiana University in education with a concentration in physics and mathematics. He holds a M.S. degree from Indiana University in education with a concentration in chemistry and psychometry. He also holds a M.S. degree from the University of Notre Dame in geology and earth science. His most recent honors include: Distinguished Physics Teacher for the State of Indiana--1985 by the American Association of Physics Teachers; S.T.A.R Instructor for Indiana Department of Public Instruction--1990; South Bend Community School Corporation High School Teacher of the Year and School Corporation Teacher of the Year--1991.

Copied that bit from his website. Also, a famous British scientist named Lord Kelvin said, "If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God." And no, the Bible does not promote genocide in the Old Testament, it was following the Middle Eastern style of using sweeping language and expecting that fines be payed in place of life. Hammurabi's Code did the same thing, but not even my Social Studies teacher last year criticized that.

Your first question: I don't know how life came to be here. I don't know what our purpose is, and I have no idea where the matter and whatnot came from. However, I also don't attribute it to a fairy in the sky who's whole religion is just a copy of other religions that were already out there.

Yes, there are many ways that that trick came by due to natural selection and evolution. The fact that we are even here is a miracle, but not really when you consider how big the universe is. That brings me to another point, why would there be a god who made us in his image when there is the rest of the universe (and what's beyond that) out there? The universe is huge, we're just specks of dust on a cosmic scale. I don't see why an all powerful being would waste his time with us when he has an enormous universe to work with.

As for the guy who couldn't find any contradictions in the bible...there are many, many contradictions. I'm not even going to argue this because it would be a waste of my time. Google bible contradictions.

And a question for you: Why not pick one of the other hundreds (or thousands I don't know) of religions out there? What's so special about Christianity? Most likely you were raised to believe in it, like so many Christians are.

Oh boy night thoughts doesn't want to get into a science/religion debate with me. Me and stadium could tear her to pieces if she comes back again.

Fuck yeah! Atheist teamwork!!

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