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I wasn't good enough at encouraging people to be kinder, and removing people who refuse to be kind. Encouraging people is hard, and removing people creates conflict, and I hate conflict... so that's why I wasn't better at it.
I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.
I can handle quite a lot of negativity and even abuse now, but that isn't the point. I want to help people. I want to help the people who need it the most, and I want to help people like the 1996 version of me.
I'm still figuring out the best way to do that, but as it is now, these forums are doing more harm than good, and I can't keep running them.
Thank you to the few people who have tried to understand my point of view so far. I really, really appreciate you guys. You are beautiful people.
Everyone else: If after everything I've said so far, you still don't understand my motivations, I think it's unlikely that you will. We're just too different. Maybe someday in the future it might make sense, but until then, there's no point in arguing about it. I don't have the time or the energy for arguing anymore. I will focus my time and energy on people who support me, and those who need help.
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My evidence is solid, just hard to understand/explain.
That article might do good normally, but this is MY idea on theology, and no none but you has tried to write a counter proof yet.
I chuckled at the bolded term. Have you even read that article? I'm mean really read it?
Yes. Lets not spam this thread with our debate though, keep it in the other thread.
The purpose of life is a life with a purpose
So I’d rather die for a cause than live a life that is worthless
I don’t need the circus or the day of national observance
I need you to think for you and stop being a servant
-Immortal Technique, The Martyr, The Martyr
Actually, it should be, because in this case, you are not referring to just any god but a specific one.
Anyway, my thoughts on God? Completely imaginary. The result of human intelligence (ironic, isn't it)?
All of us humans, what are we really? We are living things, just like any other living thing. Why should we have "souls" and all that religious bullshit? All living things are made up of chemical reactions. It's simple biochemistry; we and every other living thing are nothing more than chemical reaction facilities. We evolved through natural selection for millions of years in a universe we do not yet fully understand. Eventually, our brains reached an advanced enough level to enable us to communicate in such ways and eventually formulate the idea of an original creator being.
There is no life after death, there is simply death. Unfortunately, many seem unable to cope with that and instead opt for the concept of eternal life, that religion provides. It's all very silly.
(02-17-2012 08:03 AM)Brony Wrote: We evolved through natural selection for millions of years in a universe we do not yet fully understand.
And perhaps in that lack of total understanding lies the key to grasping God. I, for one, revel in the vast sea of things we do not understand.
You can also use that the other way. Let me give you but an example.
A wide variety of different cultures many years ago used to believe the sun and moon themselves as gods, or the eyes of gods. Of course this is not true, as we know now with the advancement of modern technology.
My point is, just because we do not understand something [yet] does not mean it has to be attributed to a divine being. It simply means we do not understand it.
I think I'd also add that I was a Christian all my life until a few months ago; I'd actually started doubting religion for a few years now, but I just couldn't persisting belief in things even I, as a Christian (at the time) found silly. I have learned much since then.
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2012 08:15 AM by Brony.)
Even if there was a god he would not be worthy of worship. Worship is a form of servitude. servitude is slavery.
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Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
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Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
I'm sure there is some form of God, but from deistic perspective. Religions weren't created by God, they were invented by men. Men can fail and be forgotten.
Therefore, all forms of organized religion is complete bullshit.
(02-23-2012 03:55 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote: I'm sure there is some form of God...
How do you know?
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Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
(02-23-2012 03:55 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote: I'm sure there is some form of God...
How do you know?
Easily.
Be serious. You have no proof. Just blind faith and exaggerated optimism.
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TRIGGER WARNING: THIS TRIGGER WARNING CONTAINS TRIGGER WARNINGS!
Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
(02-23-2012 06:10 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote: Ofcourse it is. But that doesn't mean there isn't a God. Just because there isn't any proof... doesn't mean anything.
derchin Wrote:Yeah, sure it Like I say to theists, if you can't prove your assertions true, but are quick to yell "You can't disprove it!" or "I can still believe in it because I have faith!", then go somewhere, cause you're wasting my time.
(02-23-2012 06:10 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote: But anyway, not gonna write more on this topic, since I'll get in arguments again.
SDon't shy from stuff like this cause some debates are actually fun to get into. It broadens you knowldege on various topics.
Previously known as Derchin.
(This post was last modified: 02-23-2012 06:21 AM by Miller0700.)
(02-23-2012 05:56 AM)bulgvar666 Wrote: "A faith is a necessity to a man. Woe to him who believes in nothing."
That's just an opinion.
Also, this quote would have to imply anyone without religion/faith in something is woeful. Such is untrue. I am living proof of that.
Hidden stuff:
TRIGGER WARNING: THIS TRIGGER WARNING CONTAINS TRIGGER WARNINGS!
Dear Tumblrites:Despite your wrongly self-diagnosedPTSD, no line ofscientific evidencesuggests people can be triggered over theinternet. Triggering works through thesenses(i.e. smell, taste, touch, vision, hearing.) but it goes throughreal time; if you're not experiencing it in real life as it'sACTUALLY HAPPENINGin yourACTUALlife, youCANNOTbe triggered. The only exception to this is if you have aseizure, but then again, that's triggered byepilepsy(i.e. rapidly-changing flashing lights)NOT PTSD. Remembering a bad incident is NOT the same thing as having aflashback. When you remember, youthink; when youflashback,youfeel.
#HashTagsAreForIdiots
Max Stirnir Wrote:"In the time of spirits thoughts grew till they overtopped my head, whose offspring they yet were; they hovered about me and convulsed me like fever-phantasies -- an awful power. The thoughts had become corporeal on their own account, were ghosts, e. g. God, Emperor, Pope, Fatherland, etc. If I destroy their corporeity, then I take them back into mine, and say: "I alone am corporeal." And now I take the world as what it is to me, as mine, as my property; I refer all to myself."The Ego and Its Own, pg. 15
Charles Manson Wrote:“Look down at me and you see a fool;
look up at me and you see a god;
look straight at me and you see yourself”
HeartofShadows Wrote:"Life is nothing more than a druggie trying to get their quick fix of happiness while dealing with the harsh withdrawal of reality"
Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes."The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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Can you prove that a giant pony and meatball who created the universe exist? No.
Can you disprove that a giant pony and mteaball who created the universe exist? No.
I know what you mean though, it's better to believe in a God without a religion.
(01-10-2012 02:15 PM)Maelstrom Wrote: Efs, your nihilism is beautiful.
I don't know. There may be. I don't think about it, not God, per se. All I want to know is who the hell came up with the idea in the first place, because to me it seems like the single most arbitrary thing I have ever heard of.
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