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OasisxPoisonxProdigy Offline
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Help! Research arguments needed

So I'm writing an essay about how bad school is and I need some arguments to rebut. Perferably
as another source (like books and articles.)
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RE: Help! Research arguments needed

There's a lot of articles on the main site. Also look up John Holt.

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RE: Help! Research arguments needed

I looked that up vie google but I don't think that's what I was looking for, I was looking for common arguments on why schools are important and schnuff. Like what your parents or teachers may tell you. Thanks I have five books by Gatto for my research. They are really good too. I was addicted to reading them.
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Ohh you're arguing the retarded side lol...can't help you there sorry

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RE: Help! Research arguments needed

Get ready for a few links

http://www.parenting-healthy-children.co...rtant.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?...933AAXQG91

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_is_school_important

http://www.helium.com/items/1500101-why-...-important

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Again, I agree with you. School does teach you things. And once again, you are missing the point entirely. It's not that I disagree with school's mission or the things it teaches. What I object to is that the students are deprived of any choice in the matter. As benign as the intentions may be, any system that forces people into an environment where they have no say in their lives is a situation ripe for abuse of power.

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Thanks for the help though. I guess you can say that, I'm on the anti-school side getting arguments from the other side breaking them down until they are useless in debate. Smile like medicine to a disease.
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If I remember I'll post my finished essay, if it sucks don't be surprised I really suck with English, Japanese and German are way easier for me to learn and use than English; however both of those are bad because I don't spend enough time learning and communicating with those languages. If you guys do like the essay I do (It will probably 8 pages+) you can use it if your teacher allows.
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RE: Help! Research arguments needed

I'm once again asking for the power of School Survival net to help me in my research paper in my AP English Language class, this time I'm asking if anyone remembers reading an article about how you forget things when you stop going to school and such and if anyone remembers where that article is from. I remember it was an article on learning math. I'm searching the web for it as I type.
And thanks so much for helping me so much. I will definitely post my paper when I'm done, and if anyone wants to propose any changes or additions just tell me. I like reliable sources that make sense. Smile Can't thank you guys enough for putting up with my newbish newness and crap.
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I remember reading about how to not make quadruple posts.
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I'm pretty that's with same posting if not, I'm sorry.
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RE: Help! Research arguments needed

And here's some good inspiration

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U.S. Supreme Court Justice Abe Fortas, Tinker v. Des Moines (1969) Wrote:In our system, state-operated schools may not be enclaves of totalitarianism. School officials do not possess absolute authority over their students. Students in school as well as out of school are "persons" under our Constitution."
Rebelnerd Wrote:Human rights are being violated by US law enforcement. This is what the media is here for, you're supposed to be the watchdogs! You're supposed to stand up for the downtrodden, not belittle them as though all their problems amount to nothing more than some angry glares toward parents and sabotaging their computers.
I've seen so much shit done to youth and for some reason, this has made me angrier than I've felt in years. Abuse and oppression happens all over the world. It's a terrible reality of modern society, but we've all accepted that it happens and we're doing what we can to fight it and build a better world.
But this...this mindless, condescending disrespect toward people who have no legal voice with which to defend themselves, this reduction of parents' betrayal into a cheap crack about kids being computer-savvy...it's like watching a surgeon joke about life insurance while his patient bleeds to death on the operating table. The media's job is to protect society from oppression and they've drawn a clear line between the people worth protecting and the people that don't matter. How can they people sleep at night?

You're a journalist. DO. YOUR. FUCKING. JOB.

(04-28-2010 08:17 AM)Liquid Wrote:  Laws never seem to help people fight School. Laws only matter if the students are braking them...

(12-03-2011 07:40 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  Solution to all these problems: don't fuck people you can't negotiate with in a civilized manner.
(02-09-2012 02:14 PM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  The only solution is democratic self-paced education where students can excel in what they are good at and work on what their not if necessary, AT THEIR OWN DAMN PACE IN THEIR OWN DAMN WAY.



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Almost done. The first upload is going to be a docx file. It's the first version. If someone has a good edit and I see it when I get up in the mourning I'll probably do it.
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here's the link to media fire to download it, will update if possible with more versions.
First Version of My Stupid Research Project about how school sucks......
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If i'm not too late, there may be some ideas here:
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here's the one I wrote, perhaps it would help you
http://forums.school-survival.net/showth...p?tid=4913

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Thanks guys for providing me with the resources that helped me with my essay. It's about 10% of my grade. I'm sorry Prince Rilian and Soulriser for not looking at it before I submitted my essay. It was too late.
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So I got my essay back, and it was a bad score. 111/200 ;( and now I have to revise it. My teacher wrote through out the essay that there was no thesis, no connections and no focus. I really need help. I've become so frustrated with it. I don't want to revise it.
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Let me see it and I can revise it for you.

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(02-12-2012 01:47 PM)Derchin Wrote:  Let me see it and I can revise it for you.

Yeah I will give it to you. It'll take awhile since the computer that has it crashed, It's a decade old comp. Right now it's disk is getting repaired, that can take up to a half an hour, and it will take me awhile for me to scan them.
Edit #1
wait nvm. I might just use the scanner on this comp but this comp doesn't have the software,

edit #2
I can't use this comp for scanning because windows doesn't have the driver I need so, it'll take awhile, good news is that my other comp is halfway done.
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Take your time.

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That thing you wanted to see...
here you go
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Might take a while.

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Don't worry the revision isn't due until tuesday, and thanks so much. over 9000 internets for you. I promised myself that this semester that I won't procrastinate and I will try to get ahead in my classes. My mom said she would let me get my driver's permit if I get b's or better, not a gpa b or better average.
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Already started on it. I think I should be finished by tomorrow (Not guaranteed tho).

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