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Putting Communism back in the running.
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RE: Putting Communism back in the running.

Then I wouldn't be very free. Look, in communism, this is what I expect:
1. I get my own little apartment assigned. I don't care about anything, except, it must be in a location I predefine.
2. I can do whatever Job I want, as long as it serves community purpose. I'd just repair peoples PC's and help the country on it's IT-Infrastructure.
3. I can order some food. There is enough for everybody in this world. (Well, in the western countrys that is). So I can decide what I eat.
4. Communication must be improved to remain in a state of long lasting communist peace. No Stasi though.
5. I can just go to some "business", say I need a new Lada/BMW/whatever and get it in a week.

This is just a few points, but as you have seen in the soviet union, when a idiot rises to power, peace isn't guaranteed. On the other hand, if we made a SS Island, I'd like to try it.

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01-16-2012 04:00 AM
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We do not have true capitalism right now.

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Is there a way we can have freedom WITHOUT hierarchy among citizens?

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(01-16-2012 06:10 AM)The Wrote:  Is there a way we can have freedom WITHOUT hierarchy among citizens?

Almost impossible... I think a better question would be "Is there a way we can have freedom WITHOUT forced hierarchy among citizens?

I don't mind not being as elite as others. I just want enough to enjoy my life. I don't need private jets.

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People are going to have more money than other people. Its just gonna happen in a free country. But the citizens with more money shouldn't have more POWER in the government than poorer people. Catch my drift?

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(01-16-2012 06:22 AM)The Wrote:  People are going to have more money than other people. Its just gonna happen in a free country. But the citizens with more money shouldn't have more POWER in the government than poorer people. Catch my drift?
No more lobbying and presidential campaign contributions. Simples.

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(01-16-2012 06:22 AM)The Wrote:  People are going to have more money than other people. Its just gonna happen in a free country. But the citizens with more money shouldn't have more POWER in the government than poorer people. Catch my drift?

Ah that's what you meant. Yes I think it is possible.... meh I am anti-government though. I think if government existed people with money will always find a way to more power.

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(01-16-2012 06:26 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  No more lobbying and presidential campaign contributions. Simples.

What about minority groups and interest groups like the NYRA? How would we get shit done without lobbying? Plus, in order to end campaign contributions we would have to suspend freedom of speech since technically none of the campaigns that raise the most money are run by the parties or candidates. They are third party organisations.

Plus, why is everyone so pro-capitalism just because it's capitalism lol? It's an igght system, but if it's not sustainable why continue it?

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Have you ever listened to imagine by John Lennon? His lyrics make such an excellent point
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Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace

You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will live as one

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(01-16-2012 06:36 AM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  
(01-16-2012 06:26 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  No more lobbying and presidential campaign contributions. Simples.

What about minority groups and interest groups like the NYRA? How would we get shit done without lobbying? Plus, in order to end campaign contributions we would have to suspend freedom of speech since technically none of the campaigns that raise the most money are run by the parties or candidates. They are third party organizations.

Good point. You just pointed out a major flaw in the system. Another reason why government fails.

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I would prefer a voluntary society in which all people lived as they wished provided they did not infringe on the rights of others. I would like to work on collective farm (think kibbutz) but i would also let an caps, mutualists, republicans, even statists live in peace, so long as they did not force me to engage in their systems, and i would defend their right to have their system if need be.
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(02-04-2012 05:08 AM)iexist Wrote:  I would prefer a voluntary society in which all people lived as they wished provided they did not infringe on the rights of others. I would like to work on collective farm (think kibbutz) but i would also let an caps, mutualists, republicans, even statists live in peace, so long as they did not force me to engage in their systems, and i would defend their right to have their system if need be.

Reminds me of my farm idea I had some time ago for people who didn't want to compete in the idiotic corporate ladder. I like the way you think and welcome.

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