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Human experimentrs

So people with death or life penalty already lost their right to live so why not like use them for human experiments.

Like still being humane ( mostly making sure they feel no pain) and stuff.

Why not? Although virtual simulations and animal testing does wonders I'm sure in some areas it'd be more helpful to have human subjects. People say that's wrong but were killing them anyway Popcorn
12-17-2011 01:52 PM
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How about we just outlaw the death penalty entirely.

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No, if someone is deemed to dangerous to live and unable to be rehabilitated then just kill them.

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(12-17-2011 01:55 PM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  No, if someone is deemed to dangerous to live and unable to be rehabilitated then just kill them.

Why? It costs more money to execute somebody than it does to hold them in captivity for the rest of their life so what is there to gain by killing them? Nothing at all. Who is to deem whether or not somebody is dangerous? Do you really think they can be trusted to make decisions on somebody's life like that?

Death penalty is pointless. As well as this thread. But I guess that was the point.

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RE: Human experimentrs

Holding them captive could be considered a form of torture.

No I don't think the government is capable enough to make such a decision. I was just commenting based on the current situation.

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How about no state, just a bunch of vigilantes.

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(12-17-2011 08:22 PM)Efs Wrote:  How about no state, just a bunch of vigilantes.

This^^

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(12-17-2011 02:14 PM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  Holding them captive could be considered a form of torture.

No I don't think the government is capable enough to make such a decision. I was just commenting based on the current situation.

Murder VS. Torture. It's quite the dilemma we have here.
(12-17-2011 08:22 PM)Efs Wrote:  How about no state, just a bunch of vigilantes.

They can't be trusted just as much as a government can't.

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(12-18-2011 02:38 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  
(12-17-2011 08:22 PM)Efs Wrote:  How about no state, just a bunch of vigilantes.

This^^

I predict a stateless society would have some sort of court and justice system based on socially approved rules.

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RE: Human experimentrs

If people consent to being experimented on, I see no problem with that. Actually that pretty much happens anyway to some extent with clinical trials and whatnot. But nobody should be forced against their will into something like that.

Also:
Quote:How about we just outlaw the death penalty entirely.

Robbing people of a chance to experience the rest of their life is inhumane. Doesn't matter what they did. They can't learn from it if they're dead.

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(12-17-2011 01:53 PM)|55555| Wrote:  How about we just outlaw the death penalty entirely.

If you kill the murderers, you're no better than they are.

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(12-19-2011 07:01 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  If people consent to being experimented on, I see no problem with that. Actually that pretty much happens anyway to some extent with clinical trials and whatnot. But nobody should be forced against their will into something like that.

Also:
Quote:How about we just outlaw the death penalty entirely.

Robbing people of a chance to experience the rest of their life is inhumane. Doesn't matter what they did. They can't learn from it if they're dead.

Bullshit. Death penalty is reserved for murders, people who planed prepared and terminated the life or lives of their fellow man. Their victims were robbed of the chance to experience life why should they retain that luxury? You don't want to kill them? Fine. Lock em in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives and let them rot.
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(12-20-2011 10:11 AM)Ayliana Wrote:  
(12-19-2011 07:01 AM)SoulRiser Wrote:  If people consent to being experimented on, I see no problem with that. Actually that pretty much happens anyway to some extent with clinical trials and whatnot. But nobody should be forced against their will into something like that.

Also:
Quote:How about we just outlaw the death penalty entirely.

Robbing people of a chance to experience the rest of their life is inhumane. Doesn't matter what they did. They can't learn from it if they're dead.

Bullshit. Death penalty is reserved for murders, people who planed prepared and terminated the life or lives of their fellow man. Their victims were robbed of the chance to experience life why should they retain that luxury? You don't want to kill them? Fine. Lock em in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives and let them rot.

How about murder with justifiable cause or one of those rare cases of murder where the murderer doesn't deserver as much punishment as the "victim".

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Thats different. You're talking about self defense and manslaughter. That's not murder. Murder is defined by more than just killing a person. Its following through on the intent to kill someone. Or killing someone in the committing a violent crime such as robbery or kidnapping.

Self defense is the only form of "justifiable homicide." And people preoccupied with defending themselves rarely intend to kill their opponent. They're too busy trying to survive.

Manslaughter is by definition an accident. An accident means no intent. No intent means the killer doesn't deserve as much punishment.
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(12-20-2011 12:17 PM)Ayliana Wrote:  Thats different. You're talking about self defense and manslaughter. That's not murder. Murder is defined by more than just killing a person. Its following through on the intent to kill someone. Or killing someone in the committing a violent crime such as robbery or kidnapping.

Self defense is the only form of "justifiable homicide." And people preoccupied with defending themselves rarely intend to kill their opponent. They're too busy trying to survive.

Manslaughter is by definition an accident. An accident means no intent. No intent means the killer doesn't deserve as much punishment.

What if the murderer raped say the guys little girl. Jusice system fails to put him away. Father goes murders him. What's your opinion on that?

(01-10-2012 02:15 PM)Maelstrom Wrote:  Efs, your nihilism is beautiful.
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He still should be punished. He had intent on ending someone's life even if he had to resort to taking the law into his own hands. And he really didn't have to resort to murder in the first place. He could've just found him and beat the living shit out of him instead. Hell, I'd take a few months in jail for assault than life in prison any day.

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(12-20-2011 12:43 PM)Derchin Wrote:  He still should be punished. He had intent on ending someone's life even if he had to resort to taking the law into his own hands. And he really didn't have to resort to murder in the first place. He could've just found him and beat the living shit out of him instead. Hell, I'd take a few months in jail for assault than life in prison any day.

What if this guy knew where you live. And while you're in prison for assaulting him, he could be raping yo family.

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(12-20-2011 12:30 PM)Efs Wrote:  What if the murderer raped say the guys little girl. Jusice system fails to put him away. Father goes murders him. What's your opinion on that?

That's an unlikely scenario. Rape is extremely hard to prove, and if the state is going to try prosecuting someone for it, they're going to make damn sure they have a solid case (unless of course you live in Florida) Especially when it involves a child.

And even if for some reason the justice system fails. That does not justify a revenge killing.
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I got no problem with revenge for serious crimes. I just don't think the state is a very good tool for justice. I favor a vigilante justice system. Kinda like efs. The police don't always do their job right and cops can be easily paid off. If I was to personally go after someone who murdered a family member, because it was a crime against someone I care about, I can't be paid off so easily.

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(12-20-2011 12:30 PM)Efs Wrote:  
(12-20-2011 12:17 PM)Ayliana Wrote:  Thats different. You're talking about self defense and manslaughter. That's not murder. Murder is defined by more than just killing a person. Its following through on the intent to kill someone. Or killing someone in the committing a violent crime such as robbery or kidnapping.

Self defense is the only form of "justifiable homicide." And people preoccupied with defending themselves rarely intend to kill their opponent. They're too busy trying to survive.

Manslaughter is by definition an accident. An accident means no intent. No intent means the killer doesn't deserve as much punishment.

What if the murderer raped say the guys little girl. Jusice system fails to put him away. Father goes murders him. What's your opinion on that?

Blood for blood.

In my opinion if it can be proven he did the murder/rape the father goes free. If it can't the father himself will be held for murder.

I have no problem with revenge killing as long as it is for a legitimate reason (that person just killed a family member or friend) and they have the evidence to prove that.

In other words it is a huge risk and one is better off letting the current system in place try to handle it.

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Well, true, he doesn't have the right to live after death pentalty. Still, it is a human, so human rights would still appeal. Which means nothing other than to ask him if he wants to donate his body to science.

In my opinion there is no reason for death penatly. But if somebody in the world, sentenced to death, wants to donate his living body to science, why not?

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