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A father's rights before the baby is born.
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RE: A father's rights before the baby is born.

One time, I decided that I wanted to go fishing and knocked a fish up, so I killed everyone I know... It worked out a lot better than having an abortion, OR having the kid. I recommend killing everyone. Works pretty well.

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RE: A father's rights before the baby is born.

Isn't killing everyone, if you kill the pergnant woman too, some kind of abortion? It is cutting of the live-supply of the fetus...
However, on almost every other topic I'd agree with you Rilian. However, in this particular one I assume that
1) The pregnancy was planed
2) The pregnancy was desired
3) The one who decided to get pregnant was the women herself
Just changing the mind after becoming pregnant would mean she has not informed herself about pain or whatsoever. And that would be just plain stupid, you can read it up everywhere.

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Or you know, her situation changed? Some unexpected medical problem came up, or her financial situation changed suddenly.

In any case, it's pretty rare for a woman to have an abortion when she planned to get pregnant, unless there are medical complications. But uh, the idea that abortion is something women just do on a whim is kind of weird.

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RE: A father's rights before the baby is born.

In all my posts against abortion, they all were based on the Idea of changing by whim.
I did not thought of the drastic changes possible, I was expecting that there would be no too hard changes while planned pregnancy. Medical threatment should also have alternative medicine, with which I do not mean some esoteric stuff but other substances with the same result. And I am not aware of a financial situation changed while really having a planned pregnancy. Could you give a example?

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(12-07-2011 08:03 AM)aCol Wrote:  Isn't killing everyone, if you kill the pergnant woman too, some kind of abortion? It is cutting of the live-supply of the fetus...
However, on almost every other topic I'd agree with you Rilian. However, in this particular one I assume that
1) The pregnancy was planed
2) The pregnancy was desired
3) The one who decided to get pregnant was the women herself
Just changing the mind after becoming pregnant would mean she has not informed herself about pain or whatsoever.
You have no idea what could cause one to change their mind.
Quote:And that would be just plain stupid, you can read it up everywhere.
Even if it is stupid, it's still their right. No one should be locked into a decision before it's actually been executed.

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RE: A father's rights before the baby is born.

Well, if somebody decides to do something and then executes the decision, just to turn back after the decision was executed, is that alright then?
And, no, I have no idea what could cause somebody to change their mind. I have problems with coming up with reasons.

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(12-07-2011 10:06 AM)aCol Wrote:  Well, if somebody decides to do something and then executes the decision, just to turn back after the decision was executed, is that alright then?

If it's possible. And in this case, it is.

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RE: A father's rights before the baby is born.

Well, normally I'd agree with you. Turning down a false decision and starting over is totally ok in most cases. In this sensitive case however, you play with life itself. And, although worlds already overpopulated, I still see it as murder killing a unborn [implying its more than ~5 months old].
And I don't see it as murder like these hippies persons; I see it as murder from a human rights pov, since every human has the right to live. And a unborn is basically the beginning of a new human.

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(12-07-2011 09:45 AM)aCol Wrote:  In all my posts against abortion, they all were based on the Idea of changing by whim.
I did not thought of the drastic changes possible, I was expecting that there would be no too hard changes while planned pregnancy. Medical threatment should also have alternative medicine, with which I do not mean some esoteric stuff but other substances with the same result. And I am not aware of a financial situation changed while really having a planned pregnancy. Could you give a example?

There isn't always an alternative though, and even if there is an alternative but it's less safe or less reliable, that's still a pretty valid reason. I guess the most obvious example of the financial thing if either she or the father or both lose their jobs and for whatever reason are unlikely to find a new one that pay enough to support themselves, a new baby, and possibly whatever children they already have.

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RE: A father's rights before the baby is born.

(12-07-2011 10:23 AM)aCol Wrote:  Well, normally I'd agree with you. Turning down a false decision and starting over is totally ok in most cases. In this sensitive case however, you play with life itself. And, although worlds already overpopulated, I still see it as murder killing a unborn [implying its more than ~5 months old].
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Quote:And I don't see it as murder like these hippies persons;
What do you even mean by this?
Quote:I see it as murder from a human rights pov, since every human has the right to live.
And how do you think the "hippie persons" see it?
Quote:And a unborn is basically the beginning of a new human.

Yes, but that doesn't mean they have rights over anyone else.

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Eh, as long as the decision was made with a lot of care, consideration and love, then I don't really give a shit what the conclusion was.

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