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I'm pretty shocked at how many people think the government should control healthcare.

I just don't get it. Really I don't. The government already controls education. And we can all see how that's working out.

Why do people think the government can run the economy better than private companies?
11-30-2011 04:32 AM
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Private companies can get carried away with things.

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(11-30-2011 04:32 AM)xydougie Wrote:  I'm pretty shocked at how many people think the government should control healthcare.

I just don't get it. Really I don't. The government already controls education. And we can all see how that's working out.

Why do people think the government can run the economy better than private companies?

Because the majority of SS is all "Herp... Derp... Walmart is evil so let's call in our all-ready corrupt and oversized government to step in, herp... derp..."

If you think about it, the government is a business too. It provides services like protection, schooling and other various things. Except the government gets it's customers by force or gunpoint. And since everyone has to pay no matter what, there is little incentive for good quality services.

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(11-30-2011 09:37 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  
(11-30-2011 04:32 AM)xydougie Wrote:  I'm pretty shocked at how many people think the government should control healthcare.

I just don't get it. Really I don't. The government already controls education. And we can all see how that's working out.

Why do people think the government can run the economy better than private companies?

Because the majority of SS is all "Herp... Derp... Walmart is evil so let's call in our all-ready corrupt and oversized government to step in, herp... derp..."

If you think about it, the government is a business too. It provides services like protection, schooling and other various things. Except the government gets it's customers by force or gunpoint. And since everyone has to pay no matter what, there is little incentive for good quality services.

This.

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Guys what if....*dramatic voice*
...we owned the government.

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11-30-2011 02:44 PM
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(11-30-2011 02:44 PM)Efs Wrote:  Guys what if....*dramatic voice*
...we owned the government.

That's the way it should be

but people forget shit over time.
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Wondering how long it'll take till we follow in Europe's footsteps
(11-30-2011 07:18 AM)Derchin Wrote:  Private companies can get carried away with things.

Competition my friend, competition

If you and me owned separate private health providing companies.
Then people will go to whoever gives them better service ( better quality, lower prices, more options, friendlier staff, sexy nurses,.etc)

Which will make the OTHER guy follow suit or risk losing profits.
Seriously, I know it has flaws but it's the best system on earth.

Any honest observer can conclude that capitalism is the solution.
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(11-30-2011 02:44 PM)Efs Wrote:  Guys what if....*dramatic voice*
...we owned the government.

IMHO the people can't actually *own* a representative government, even in a minarchy/representative democracy. Its actually a bit of a rediculous concept if you think about it.
Supposedly, we control the government with voting. The government controls us, even with violence if neccassary.
*Yo,Dawg I heard you like control.*
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A big vicious circle. It gets out of hand very quickly. The government has a huge advantage, since it can use violence legitimately and that is how it operates anyway. If you use violence to go against the government you are labeled a criminal. That is why the government does the owning.
Quote:..we owned the government.
Also, who is "we"??? We is a very general term. We is also never 100% of the people, as peoples opinions are different.

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Repeal Obamacare and use the Free market to lower the costs of health care. Obamacare is too expensive to implement and without it, we would have had a smaller deficit.
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*cough* NHS *cough*

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(12-01-2011 08:55 PM)conservativesaint Wrote:  Repeal Obamacare and use the Free market to lower the costs of health care. Obamacare is too expensive to implement and without it, we would have had a smaller deficit.

This combined with your username made me lol uncontrollably.

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Hey, wait a minute. We can't have an economic argument without wes. He hasn't been on ss for a long time.

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(11-30-2011 09:37 AM)gore goroth Wrote:  
(11-30-2011 04:32 AM)xydougie Wrote:  I'm pretty shocked at how many people think the government should control healthcare.

I just don't get it. Really I don't. The government already controls education. And we can all see how that's working out.

Why do people think the government can run the economy better than private companies?

Because the majority of SS is all "Herp... Derp... Walmart is evil so let's call in our all-ready corrupt and oversized government to step in, herp... derp..."

If you think about it, the government is a business too. It provides services like protection, schooling and other various things. Except the government gets it's customers by force or gunpoint. And since everyone has to pay no matter what, there is little incentive for good quality services.
This, plus the government is dependent on corportions to a large degree, since they fund campaigns and everything. People keep thinking they have to choose to support big corporations + small government (republican) or government regulation of corporations (and potentially everything else, which I guess is the liberal viewpoint) I don't believe in choosing either of them.

Go to work. Send your kids to school. Follow fashion. Act normal. Walk on the pavement. Watch TV. Save for your old age. Obey the law. Repeat after me: "I am free."

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