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Why should I be productive to society?
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RE: Why should I be productive to society?

(11-17-2011 03:21 PM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  You wouldn't listen anyway as was the case with Derchin.

Huh?

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11-18-2011 07:18 AM
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RE: Why should I be productive to society?

You would logically refute her points. She's basically just respond with "nuh uh"

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RE: Why should I be productive to society?

(11-17-2011 03:21 PM)UnschoolShqiponjë Wrote:  The shit you say is insanely stupid. It'd be like you saying, "Gravity is EVIL and a scientist concept that ruins mankind!" I'd call you a fucking idiot. your arguments don't deserve a logical response. You wouldn't listen anyway as was the case with Derchin.

I'm not against acquiring the systematic knowledge of things!

I'm just against the philosophies, inventions, and the entire reductionist view to reality.

Yeah you can tear everything to shreds, and make it jump through hoops, and call it a scientific truth.

But truth expands beyond the 'commanding truths' of science.

And I'm damn tired of people thinking that christianity and science are enemies when really they are a phony argument.

And it seems like your the only person besides Ayliana that has to refute themselves to name calling and attacking people personally on the internet misleadingly.

To be an anarchist, is to suffer greatly. To be a black woman is to suffer secretly. To be the earth, is to suffer silently.

I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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(11-19-2011 10:09 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Yeah you can study everything and analyze it, and call it a scientific truth.

Fix'd

(11-19-2011 10:09 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  But truth expands beyond the 'commanding truths' of science.

Three things that pretty much allowed people to understand truth (So far): Philosophy, math and science.

(11-19-2011 10:09 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  And I'm damn tired of people thinking that christianity and science are enemies when really they are a phony argument.

Somewhat agree.

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(11-19-2011 10:14 AM)Derchin Wrote:  
(11-19-2011 10:09 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Yeah you can study everything and analyze it, and call it a scientific truth.

Fix'd

(11-19-2011 10:09 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  But truth expands beyond the 'commanding truths' of science.

Three things that pretty much allowed people to understand truth (So far): Philosophy, math and science.

(11-19-2011 10:09 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  And I'm damn tired of people thinking that christianity and science are enemies when really they are a phony argument.

Somewhat agree.

Commanding shit to go through hoops that's all it is.

We don't need science. It's totally fucked us over. Humans aren't even as intelligent as we were at the start of civilization.

We rely on information, information isn't knowledge. We don't know anything about the world around us the only knowledge attainable is through information.

Do you not see a problem with that? If we truly understood the earth, then we wouldn't be destroying it right now, and running on nonrenewable resources. Civilization is suicide, it's biological warfare.

To be an anarchist, is to suffer greatly. To be a black woman is to suffer secretly. To be the earth, is to suffer silently.

I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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(11-20-2011 08:23 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  We don't need science.

We don't need it, but its useful.

Quote:The premise of not needing science is ridiculous, and infinitely hypocritical given that you enjoy the benefits it gives you in everyday life without even realizing it.

(11-20-2011 08:23 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Humans aren't even as intelligent as we were at the start of civilization.

Because we din't have science.

(11-20-2011 08:23 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  "We rely on information, information isn't knowledge. We don't know anything about the world around us the only knowledge attainable is through information.

WHAT. THE. FUCK

(11-20-2011 08:23 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Do you not see a problem with that?

I see a problem with your logic.

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RE: Why should I be productive to society?

(11-20-2011 08:52 AM)Derchin Wrote:  
(11-20-2011 08:23 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  We don't need science.

We don't need it, but its useful.

Quote:The premise of not needing science is ridiculous, and infinitely hypocritical given that you enjoy the benefits it gives you in everyday life without even realizing it.

(11-20-2011 08:23 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Humans aren't even as intelligent as we were at the start of civilization.

Because we din't have science.

(11-20-2011 08:23 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  "We rely on information, information isn't knowledge. We don't know anything about the world around us the only knowledge attainable is through information.

WHAT. THE. FUCK

(11-20-2011 08:23 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Do you not see a problem with that?

I see a problem with your logic.

Excuse me for my dramatic fuck up. I meant to say that humans weren't as intelligent as we were before civilization, well those of that stayed out of civilization were fine.

When I say information I'm talking about receiving knowledge as through ways of artificial intelligence and forms susceptible to corruption and bias.

Like instead of studying, and seeing things for ourselves we get our knowledge from technology, like the written word, and so, but really in the basis of the definition of what knowledge is, we don't really know these things.

It's a complex column of thought but it just demonstrates another reason we don't need industrial technology, and that it actually sets us back.

Haha, it's so funny, you have no idea what I'm talking about, but yeah my brain has gone pretty far this past months.

To be an anarchist, is to suffer greatly. To be a black woman is to suffer secretly. To be the earth, is to suffer silently.

I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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As long as you don't violate anyone else's rights, you are being a productive member of society.

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ITT lazy burger eating slobs trying to justify their inactivity and a stupid hippie who has escaped from the 60s

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mmmmmmm burgers

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