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I'm talking about is Ralph Epperson's book The Unseen Hand.

You can buy the book here:
http://www.amazon.com/Unseen-Hand-Introd...0961413506

Or download the book and read it online here:
http://hotfile.com/dl/100220895/304e163/...4.pdf.html


I've got the book and read some of the conspiracies that he mentions and there is one that I know is bullshit. (Spoilers ahead) In chapter one, he tries to infer that evolution is socialist, chance prevents evolution from happening and other things. He also quote miness many scientists and tries to assume that:

"There is, it appears, a conspiracy of scientists afoot. Their purpose is to break down religion, propagate immorality, and so reduce mankind to the level of the brutes. They are the sworn and sinister agents of Beelzebub (the devil) who "yearns to conquer the world... ."

If he's wrong in this, what else is he wrong on?

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He's partially right about evolution being socialist, as Alfred D. Wallace was a socialist, and saw the world through a socialist approach.

He's only right about "propagate immorality, and so reduce mankind to the level of the brutes. They are the sworn and sinister agents of Beelzebub (the devil) who "yearns to conquer the world... ."

That part is right, but if you think about science and christianity are all in the same boat.Falsley Rationalizing or Spiritualizing the destruction of the entire planet and the extinction of the human race and many other species in the name of "human progress" ( meaning putting the intentions of a bunch of megalomaniacal profit seeking sociopaths, who have hypnotized us into putting 'magical powers' in money investment and the the labor that puts these 'magical powers' on money, BEFORE EVERYONE ELSES), or in the name of "man's duty to god".

Science IS religion. Richard Dawkins is the new jesus, and materialism, and technology are god.

That's true, but I could honestly give a crap about if this book is saying that everything that has happened has been planned out, or know one knows why things happen.

Conspiracies do exist, duh, but who's doing them, i don't know.

For instance Colombus reaching mesoamerica.

If the tenochtitlans had never believed that the Europeans were white gods they never would have conquested the americas meaning Europe would of collapse and they would of most likely died.

What are the chances? Who knows? Maybe it was conspired.

But I'll check out the book, and stop running on about how I can recycle the information from "500 Nations" history. Wink

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I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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(11-13-2011 10:10 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  He's partially right about evolution being socialist, as Alfred D. Wallace was a socialist, and saw the world through a socialist approach.

Evolution doesn't say anything economic systems. It deals with life. No way around it.

(11-13-2011 10:10 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  He's only right about "propagate immorality, and so reduce mankind to the level of the brutes. They are the sworn and sinister agents of Beelzebub (the devil) who "yearns to conquer the world... ."

Not really. Evolution says nothing on immortality or to reduce mankind to "brutes" either.

(11-13-2011 10:10 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  That part is right, but if you think about science and religion (Fix'd) are all in the same boat. Falsley Rationalizing or Spiritualizing the destruction of the entire planet and the extinction of the human race and many other species in the name of "human progress" ( meaning putting the intentions of a bunch of megalomaniacal profit seeking sociopaths, who have hypnotized us into putting 'magical powers' in money investment and the the labor that puts these 'magical powers' on money, BEFORE EVERYONE ELSES), or in the name of "man's duty to god".

Science only attempts to understand the natural world around us. Yeah, science was used to for destructive purposes at times, but these things were ordered by madmen who were out to achieve selfish goals.

Ralph Epperson Wrote:Science IS religion. Richard Dawkins is the new jesus, and materialism, and technology are god.
(11-13-2011 10:10 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  That's true

That's bullshit and you know it. Don't reduce yourself to strawmen like he did. You're smarter than that.


(11-13-2011 10:10 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  and stop running on about how I can recycle the information from "500 Nations" history. Wink

What?
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Science- acquiring the systematic knowledge of, i'd say the best scientists didn't have to fuck up everything to learn about it. Real scientists understood that immersing yourself and observing the world, and exploring is how to truly learn about something.

And science is not about learning about the world, it's about conquering it, why do you think they have to objectify everything and divide into little parts. it's about domination and objectification, it's not about discovering truth. What ever truth they make is a paradox.Richard Dawkins is an idiot heres what he wrote:

" Science boosts it's claim to truth by it's spectacular ability to make matter and energy jump through hoops on command, and to predict what will happen and when."

If I throw a rock at your face and it breaks your nose, then i threaten to throw a rock in your face again, and say that throwing a rock in a face will break your nose, than that's the not really truth.

Like Derrick Jensen said, if you put a gun to someones head and command them to jump through hoops, then you do it again, and then predict that they will jump through those hoops then you apparently a genius.

Scientists create their own truths through domination. If you wanted to understand an ecosystem why the hell would you tear it apart? I you want to learn about an ecosystem become a part of that ecosystem.

Artificial intelligence has ruined learning, because we only learn by accepting bits of information by faith.

That's not even true knowledge, do you see where I'm coming from?

We don't need science. I can't think of one non-destructive thing that science has given us.

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It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Science- acquiring the systematic knowledge of, ?i'd say the best scientists didn't have to fuck up everything to learn about it. Real scientists understood that immersing yourself and observing the world, and exploring is how to truly learn about something.
Sources?

(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  And science is not about learning about the world, it's about conquering it, why do you think they have to objectify everything and divide into little parts. it's about domination and objectification, it's not about discovering truth. What ever truth they make is a paradox.Richard Dawkins is an idiot heres what he wrote:

" Science boosts it's claim to truth by it's spectacular ability to make matter and energy jump through hoops on command, and to predict what will happen and when."

Um, no it doesn't. Science only attempts to understand things. Yes, it divides things into parts (Like classification of animals), but its only to understand it even more. Your beef is with the corporations who control science, not the method itself.

(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  If I throw a rock at your face and it breaks your nose, then i threaten to throw a rock in your face again, and say that throwing a rock in a face will break your nose, than that's the not really truth.

Like Derrick Jensen said, if you put a gun to someones head and command them to jump through hoops, then you do it again, and then predict that they will jump through those hoops then you apparently a genius.

What?

(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Scientists create their conclusions through experimentation and going over their results.

Fix'd

(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  If you wanted to understand an ecosystem why the hell would you tear it apart? I you want to learn about an ecosystem become a part of that ecosystem.

Science is actually against that. We have ways of analyzing the natural world without tampering it or fucking with it completely.

(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Artificial intelligence has ruined learning, because we only learn by accepting bits of information by faith.

That's bullshit. I don't even know what that even means.


(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  We don't need science. I can't think of one non-destructive thing that science has given us.

And alas we come down to this. You're like the countless anti-science folk who'd think we'd be better without science.

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(11-14-2011 03:29 AM)Derchin Wrote:  
(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Science- acquiring the systematic knowledge of, ?i'd say the best scientists didn't have to fuck up everything to learn about it. Real scientists understood that immersing yourself and observing the world, and exploring is how to truly learn about something.
Sources?

(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  And science is not about learning about the world, it's about conquering it, why do you think they have to objectify everything and divide into little parts. it's about domination and objectification, it's not about discovering truth. What ever truth they make is a paradox.Richard Dawkins is an idiot heres what he wrote:

" Science boosts it's claim to truth by it's spectacular ability to make matter and energy jump through hoops on command, and to predict what will happen and when."

Um, no it doesn't. Science only attempts to understand things. Yes, it divides things into parts (Like classification of animals), but its only to understand it even more. Your beef is with the corporations who control science, not the method itself.

(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  If I throw a rock at your face and it breaks your nose, then i threaten to throw a rock in your face again, and say that throwing a rock in a face will break your nose, than that's the not really truth.

Like Derrick Jensen said, if you put a gun to someones head and command them to jump through hoops, then you do it again, and then predict that they will jump through those hoops then you apparently a genius.

What?

(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Scientists create their conclusions through experimentation and going over their results.

Fix'd

(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  If you wanted to understand an ecosystem why the hell would you tear it apart? I you want to learn about an ecosystem become a part of that ecosystem.

Science is actually against that. We have ways of analyzing the natural world without tampering it or fucking with it completely.

(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Artificial intelligence has ruined learning, because we only learn by accepting bits of information by faith.

That's bullshit. I don't even know what that even means.


(11-14-2011 02:15 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  We don't need science. I can't think of one non-destructive thing that science has given us.

And alas we come down to this. You're like the countless anti-science folk who'd think we'd be better without science.

For one.....




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Because we don't need science! You yet to tell me something good the science has brought to us, scientists rationalize the expense of everybody else for human progress.

If you don't understand the whole Richard Dawkins quote then let me rephrase it again, he's basically telling us that scientific truth is truth because it predicts what it's forcing something to do.


Acquiring the systematic knowledge of something is fine, but it doesn't call for the domination and objectification of that thing. As I said, the best scientists were able to maintain a sustainable relationship with the bio-diverse lifeforms around them. Today we don't have that, when you start to divide something into pieces, number it, and objectify it you are removing it's meaning, and grouping to create a hierarchy, and this is domination. You don't have to dominate something to understand it.

For example frogs, if you wanted to learn about frogs, you'd immerse yourself with frogs, you'd live with them, observe them, and that's how you'd learn.That's a sane, harmless, non-exploitative way to obtain knowledge of another equally important life form.

But when you vivisect a frog, when you pollute it's ponds, and ruin it's habitat, that's domination, that's wanting to rule over frogs instead of living with them. Domination is hatred. You'd only want to conquer something you hated.

Another thing about AI (artificial intelligence), so instead of being able to interact with people to learn about frogs or simply living with them yourself, the only thing you have is a book on frogs and your faith. Faith because you are just reading words on a page about frogs, instead of actually going out into the world and living with them. If I truly had a passion for frogs it would be amazing to be able to be with frogs, but instead all you have is words on a page, instead of actually life experiences.

It's complicated, I could explain it better if you want.

Scientists create their conclusions through experimentation and going over their results= Scientists command things to jump through hoops, then command them to do it again, and then predict that they will jump through hoops on command and call that groundbreaking intelligent apex of principle.

It's domination not understanding! If scientists understood the world maybe they'd know that it's not a good idea to destroy it for profit.
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Quote:Because we don't need science! You yet to tell me something good the science has brought to us, scientists rationalize the expense of everybody else for human progress.


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(11-14-2011 06:55 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Because we don't need science! You yet to tell me something good the science has brought to us, scientists rationalize the expense of everybody else for human progress.

Quote:Well, it has allowed the development of the computers people read this on, for a start.

Quality of life has been improved through science. Electricity, furniture, clean running water, heating, draught prevention etc. are all examples of scientific innovations.

Science has made life expectancy go up. Improved diets, medicine, medical technology, diagnostics etc. are due to science.
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(11-14-2011 06:55 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  If you don't understand the whole Richard Dawkins quote then let me rephrase it again, he's basically telling us that scientific truth is truth because it predicts what it's forcing something to do.

Scientific truth is truth because we've arrived to that conclusion.

(11-14-2011 06:55 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Acquiring the systematic knowledge of something is fine, but it doesn't call for the domination and objectification of that thing. As I said, the best scientists were able to maintain a sustainable relationship with the bio-diverse lifeforms around them. Today we don't have that, when you start to divide something into pieces, number it, and objectify it you are removing it's meaning, and grouping to create a hierarchy, and this is domination. You don't have to dominate something to understand it.

Still don't get it. Its not a means of control, but of understanding.

(11-14-2011 06:55 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  For example frogs, if you wanted to learn about frogs, you'd immerse yourself with frogs, you'd live with them, observe them, and that's how you'd learn.
And most scientists do that.

(11-14-2011 06:55 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  But when you vivisect a frog, when you pollute it's ponds, and ruin it's habitat, that's domination, that's wanting to rule over frogs instead of living with them. Domination is hatred. You'd only want to conquer something you hated.

That's not what it does. When people set up homes, factories or businesses near these area that's the cause. I don't know how many times I have to tell you.

(11-14-2011 06:55 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Another thing about AI (artificial intelligence), so instead of being able to interact with people to learn about frogs or simply living with them yourself, the only thing you have is a book on frogs and your faith. Faith because you are just reading words on a page about frogs, instead of actually going out into the world and living with them. If I truly had a passion for frogs it would be amazing to be able to be with frogs, but instead all you have is words on a page, instead of actually life experiences.

Then go out and study some damn frogs if you don't believe it.


(11-14-2011 06:55 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Scientists create their conclusions through experimentation and going over their results= Scientists command things to jump through hoops, then command them to do it again, and then predict that they will jump through hoops on command and call that groundbreaking intelligent apex of principle.

Animal testing?

(11-14-2011 06:55 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  It's domination not understanding! If scientists understood the world maybe they'd know that it's not a good idea to destroy it for profit.

Science is not out to destroy the world. Science is like a knife: Its can be used for good or bad depending on who holds it. And its almost always dangerous when someone inexperienced has it.

You don't seem to get the good science has done for us, the other organisms of this planet and the world itself.

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Anybody that uses the word 'beelzebub' is intrinsically a fucking idiot.
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You still yet to give me an invention that has actually bettered humans. Or anything that it is done.
And you yet to still explain to me why we actually need it.

And it's not just houses and factories getting set up at habitats, it's artificial eco-systems, motor-vehicles, planes, dams,submarines, ships, and all the things of this plastic culture that are fucking the planet as well. It's this entire fucked up civilization.

All these things that are directly tied to scientists.

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I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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(11-15-2011 08:50 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  You still yet to give me an invention that has actually bettered humans. Or anything that it is done.
And you yet to still explain to me why we actually need it.

And it's not just houses and factories getting set up at habitats, it's artificial eco-systems, motor-vehicles, planes, dams,submarines, ships, and all the things of this plastic culture that are fucking the planet as well. It's this entire fucked up civilization.

All these things that are directly tied to scientists.

And yet I have. Airplanes, cars, the computer, and cellphones, for example. Science has gotten us to the moon, cured countless diseases and extended human life on average. How could you possibly say that science hasn't gotten us to where we are now? Seriously.

And you're right, science was used to create these things but under the orders of someone else. Scientists invented plastic, yes. And plastic was mass produced because someone needed them to. That's my point.

Studying trees doesn't harm them, for example. Studying how deer live doesn't mean that they'll be harmed. That what scientists do. They even have guidelines as to the safety of animals their testing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing_regulations

Hunters on the other hand....

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(11-15-2011 09:50 AM)Derchin Wrote:  
(11-15-2011 08:50 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  You still yet to give me an invention that has actually bettered humans. Or anything that it is done.
And you yet to still explain to me why we actually need it.

And it's not just houses and factories getting set up at habitats, it's artificial eco-systems, motor-vehicles, planes, dams,submarines, ships, and all the things of this plastic culture that are fucking the planet as well. It's this entire fucked up civilization.

All these things that are directly tied to scientists.

And yet I have. Airplanes, cars, the computer, and cellphones, for example. Science has gotten us to the moon, cured countless diseases and extended human life on average. How could you possibly say that science hasn't gotten us tho where we are now? Seriously.

And you're right, science was used to create these things but under the orders of someone else. Scientists invented plastic, yes. And plastic was mass produced because someone needed them to. That's my point.

Studying trees doesn't harm them, for example. Studying how deer live doesn't mean that they'll be harmed. That what scientists do. They even have guidelines as to the safety of animals their testing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing_regulations

Hunters on the other hand....

What do mean scientists have expanded are lifespan and improved health and cured diseases?

Firstly, looking at the archeological record, the health of humans have detereoriated terribly since the dawn of the industrial age, now we have rare diseases like cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and awful dental health appearing more often.

We may have a high population ( this is theorized to be because women cannot control their birth control rates due to poverty, illiteracy, and also to do with the frequency of menstrual cycles), but our life expectancy is actually short.

For example everyone knows that smoking cigarettes causes cancer. But isn't it scientists that manufacture these inventions, then they come in an tell us that it might kill us, and then all they do when you get cancer is they make your cancer just last longer.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with studying an animals or nature. But theres a fine lien between understanding and domination.

As I said before, the best scientists knew how to maintain a stable peaceful relationship with the land, because they understand that the land is sacred, and all it's inhabitants are important.

To be an anarchist, is to suffer greatly. To be a black woman is to suffer secretly. To be the earth, is to suffer silently.

I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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Derchin please stop responding to this nonsense.

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(11-15-2011 10:26 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  What do mean scientists have expanded are lifespan and improved health and cured diseases?

Since the invention of medicine, the length of human life has nearly doubled. During the paleolithic era, L.E was around 33 years old, today its, on average, around 67.

(11-15-2011 10:26 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Firstly, looking at the archeological record, the health of humans have detereoriated terribly since the dawn of the industrial age, now we have rare diseases like cancer, diabetes, heart disease, and awful dental health appearing more often.

Yeah, with the invention of more fatty foods. Thank you corporatism.

(11-15-2011 10:26 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  We may have a high population ( this is theorized to be because women cannot control their birth control rates due to poverty, illiteracy, and also to do with the frequency of menstrual cycles), but our life expectancy is actually short.....

.....In impoverished areas.

(11-15-2011 10:26 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  For example everyone knows that smoking cigarettes causes cancer. But isn't it scientists that manufacture these inventions, then they come in an tell us that it might kill us, and then all they do when you get cancer is they make your cancer just last longer.

Scientists, again, do this because greedy corporations need them to do so. If you're so against corporatism, you'd realize that.

(11-15-2011 10:26 AM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  I see absolutely nothing wrong with studying an animals or nature.

As I said before, the best scientists know how to maintain a stable peaceful relationship with the land, because they understand that the land is sacred, and all it's inhabitants are important.

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RE: This figures.....

Firstly, those statistics on paleo life being shorter doesn't seem to show any evidence, and most of those statistics are mixed in with infant mortality. Infanticide was commonly used by tribes such as the Inuits to control birth, which is like abortion today.

Secondly, the only reason life expectancy was increased was because scientists were able to prolong and treat many of the diseases of pre-industrial civilization and industrial civilization itself. But it doesn't mean better health, or quality of life.

But honestly, science is only an accompaniment of civilization. Civilization is still killing everything. We don't need civilization, therefore we do not need science philosophy, scientific inventions in itself.

Science has only tried to create solutions to the problems it's created, but even that isn't effective. Like the Prius. Kill some children, rip a hole in the sky, melt the polar ice caps, change the climate and head towards a fast early extinction but at least you are driving a hybrid.

I still fail to see an invention worth having, or necessary, or even progressive.

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I wish no harm on anyone, but those whose harmful ways will not stop without the same harm.

It's time we kill this cancerous system, before it kills us and everything left of gaia. Rise from our immaturity and take back our autonomy!

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RE: This figures.....

(11-15-2011 12:34 PM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Firstly, those statistics on paleo life being shorter doesn't seem to show any evidence, and most of those statistics are mixed in with infant mortality. Infanticide was commonly used by tribes such as the Inuits to control birth, which is like abortion today.

Sources:http://paleodiet.com/life-expectancy.htm

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&...izMZRWiXlQ

(11-15-2011 12:34 PM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Secondly, the only reason life expectancy was increased was because scientists were able to prolong and treat many of the diseases of pre-industrial civilization and industrial civilization itself. But it doesn't mean better health, or quality of life.

I wasn't talking about quality of life, I was talking about life expectancy.

(11-15-2011 12:34 PM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  But honestly, science is only an accompaniment of civilization. Civilization is still killing everything. We don't need civilization, therefore we do not need science philosophy, scientific inventions in itself.

Civilization, maybe. Science, no. We'd be dead without it. And you still don't get it.

(11-15-2011 12:34 PM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  Science has only tried to create solutions to the problems it's created, but even that isn't effective. Like the Prius. Kill some children, rip a hole in the sky, melt the polar ice caps, change the climate and head towards a fast early extinction but at least you are driving a hybrid.

Corporatism. We need X product to boost corporate wealth. Who knows how to build it? Scientists. "We told you building it would be dangerous." "We don't care as long we make money."

(11-15-2011 12:34 PM)SH☮TGUNHEⒶRT Wrote:  I still fail to see an invention worth having, or necessary, or even progressive.

Because you've ignored everything I gave you.

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