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I guess Romans and Greeks and shit were much more open with sexuality than today... weren't they?...
BUT STILL, people have worn clothes for thousands of years, so I dunno.
Clothing is normal for protection. Somewhere along the way people began to see it as covering our nude selves. I blame religion heavily for the sexual taboo.
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10-28-2011 11:54 AM
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Control a person's sexuality and it isn't too much harder too control them completely. Making sex (outside of strict rules) a sin was their greatest idea ever... oh that and indoctrinating children.
As a Greek I blame Christianity. The only thing Christianity (Orthodoxy) has done for Greece is liberate them from the Turkish invaders. But even then Christianity was only used to bring people together in terms of revolution. But Christianity has killed many of my people in past, and to me that doesn't cancel out. I don't understand how %99 of Greeks are Orthodox and that we don't have a secular state. Separate church and state!
Also, in the Ancient times when Greeks were "pagans", they achieved SO MUCH MORE. Look at Greeks today and they're fucking blind. I wish Greece was like it was before Christianity, if not Pagan then at least Atheist or a Secular state.
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10-28-2011 04:24 PM
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(10-28-2011 04:24 PM)Efs Wrote: As a Greek I blame Christianity. The only thing Christianity (Orthodoxy) has done for Greece is liberate them from the Turkish invaders. But even then Christianity was only used to bring people together in terms of revolution. But Christianity has killed many of my people in past, and to me that doesn't cancel out. I don't understand how %99 of Greeks are Orthodox and that we don't have a secular state. Separate church and state!
Also, in the Ancient times when Greeks were "pagans", they achieved SO MUCH MORE. Look at Greeks today and they're fucking blind. I wish Greece was like it was before Christianity, if not Pagan then at least Atheist or a Secular state.
U ever hear of Rotting Christ? Awesomest Greek band ever.
I'm sure Christianity had the most to do with it all, but I think human nature suppresses sexuality from a sociological standpoint. We are particularly bad breeders in general. Humans can only produce one child every nine months, and lets not forget it takes a full 13-15 years to reach sexual maturity. That leaves what ...maybe a 30 year span of time where a woman can bear children before menopause.
I say all this to point out, that if a society is run by its elders...and its elders have the conscious ability to be upset over their lack of sexual fertility. Somehow, someway, it will trickle to the bottom.
Actually no. Thats silly. I mean perhaps there is some merit to it. But I can't prove it. Withdrawn, but it's definitely there for consideration.
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10-31-2011 09:13 AM
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(10-31-2011 09:13 AM)Vatman Wrote: I'm sure Christianity had the most to do with it all, but I think human nature suppresses sexuality from a sociological standpoint. We are particularly bad breeders in general. Humans can only produce one child every nine months, and lets not forget it takes a full 13-15 years to reach sexual maturity. That leaves what ...maybe a 30 year span of time where a woman can bear children before menopause.
I say all this to point out, that if a society is run by its elders...and its elders have the conscious ability to be upset over their lack of sexual fertility. Somehow, someway, it will trickle to the bottom.
Actually no. Thats silly. I mean perhaps there is some merit to it. But I can't prove it. Withdrawn, but it's definitely there for consideration.
Perhaps sexuality is frowned upon due to jealousy. "I'm in charge and if I can't have sex, why should you?"
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(10-31-2011 09:13 AM)Vatman Wrote: I'm sure Christianity had the most to do with it all, but I think human nature suppresses sexuality from a sociological standpoint. We are particularly bad breeders in general. Humans can only produce one child every nine months, and lets not forget it takes a full 13-15 years to reach sexual maturity. That leaves what ...maybe a 30 year span of time where a woman can bear children before menopause.
I say all this to point out, that if a society is run by its elders...and its elders have the conscious ability to be upset over their lack of sexual fertility. Somehow, someway, it will trickle to the bottom.
Actually no. Thats silly. I mean perhaps there is some merit to it. But I can't prove it. Withdrawn, but it's definitely there for consideration.
Perhaps sexuality is frowned upon due to jealousy. "I'm in charge and if I can't have sex, why should you?"
That makes sense. Old people kina run the show and thats why sex is so taboo along with tons of other reasons the young are kept down.
My idiot brother always puts up arguments for Christianity like "Society made it all this way with Christian values, do you think we would have this level of prosperity if Christianity didn't exist?". My counter-argument is "How do you know it wouldn't be better without Christianity?".
Quote:This may sound horrible to say, but if we didn't have so many old folks imagine how much more of a free and open society the youth would have.
I'd assume a more open one but with a lot of the self-hating youth I don't know. Yet, I don't think that has to do with jealousy of sex, maybe jealousy of youth. Our society has separated itself based on age. Older people see youthful people and get jealous. Youth see older people and get angry. I think sex taboo (especially between different age groups) is just a side effect of age discrimination.
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10-31-2011 01:26 PM
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Quote:This may sound horrible to say, but if we didn't have so many old folks imagine how much more of a free and open society the youth would have.
I'd assume a more open one but with a lot of the self-hating youth I don't know. Yet, I don't think that has to do with jealousy of sex, maybe jealousy of youth. Our society has separated itself based on age. Older people see youthful people and get jealous. Youth see older people and get angry. I think sex taboo (especially between different age groups) is just a side effect of age discrimination.
Public schooling has a lot to do with that. JTG mentions that part of the problem is different age groups are pinned against each other.