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Philosophical questions

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1. I was reading a book: Introduction to Philosophy, Fifth Edition, by Robert C. Solomon and it said:

Vicious Cycle (Circular Reasoning)
(Not the whole paragraph, just an excerpt) "If you argue A because of B, and B because of C, but then C because of A, you have just argued in a vicious circle. Its vicious (and fallacious) because, as in begging the question, you have assumed just what you want to prove."

* Doesn't the use of inductive and deductive follow that same path? You use them because you want to "assume what you want to prove"?

2. I didn't understand the definition and example the book (And online) gave on "begging the question". Can you give me some?

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RE: Philosophical questions

Begging the question is when you use X as a premise and then pretend to conclude X from the premises.
That example says We know A is true because of B, we know B is true because of C, and we know C is true because of A. It literally goes in a circle! I think they're saying A is what you're trying to prove, but it is used as a premise also.

An example is when people say the bible proves that god is real and we know the bible is true because it was written by god. The only states premises are "god wrote the bible" and "the bible says that god is real", but the premise "god wrote the bible" sneaks in a 3rd premise of "god exists".

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RE: Philosophical questions

Well, circular reasoning needs to have "begging the question" (Petitio Principii) But "begging the question" can happen in other ways too.

"Begging the question" is:

Since A is true (without proving it is true)
Thus B

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RE: Philosophical questions

Lol, I'm reading the same book.

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RE: Philosophical questions

(10-25-2011 08:26 AM)Absentinsomniac Wrote:  Lol, I'm reading the same book.

Goingcrazy How far you got?

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RE: Philosophical questions

Just got done the Logical introduction section. I'm reading it for a philosophy class, and the class decided we were only going to study certain sections. Namely - self, religion (i think), and ethics. I think, anyways.

But I have the ninth edition.

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RE: Philosophical questions

It's basically starting on a premise and going back to your premise, hence circular reasoning.

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Is doesn't need to be circular though.

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(10-27-2011 02:54 AM)Liquid Wrote:  Is doesn't need to be circular though.

Huh?

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