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Conversations I witnessed
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Conversations I witnessed

You can use and see how people will contribute to your's what I got so far. In this case, I used ifs. Thoughts?

Question to discuss:
If capitalism is bad, socialism is bad, etc. what good is there?
Stranger 2: what's wrong with capitalism?
Stranger 1: Vote for ME
Stranger 1: What's wrong with capitalism?
Stranger 2: it allocates resources efficiently.
Stranger 1: "Twisted" interests in long term.
Stranger 1: ... Competition.
Stranger 1: Nasty stuff. But some say
Stranger 1: a necessary evil.
Stranger 2: it's brilliant
Stranger 2: it's the reason we don't all live in poverty.
Stranger 1: ...
Stranger 1: Does saying that make sense?
Stranger 1: ... hmmmm
Stranger 2: yes
Stranger 2: nothing in history has brought people out of poverty than markets.
Stranger 1: No, I'd say agriculture can just as well be said to be the reason.
Stranger 1: And capitalism isn't necessary for agriculture...
Stranger 2: there was agriculture for thousands of years, but people have always lived in poverty until the last 200.
Stranger 1: I'd say capitalism is one of many "reasons".
Stranger 1: Pfffft. Relative poverty.
Stranger 1: We're still poor on some measures.
Stranger 1: Where to put the limit?
Stranger 1: I have to WORK, dammit...
Stranger 2: you don't have to.
Stranger 2: you choose to.
Stranger 1: Yeah but I do have to work if I want to spend my days eating ice cream in expensive hotels.
Stranger 1: Everything beyond that is POOR!! > o <
Stranger 1: Plus, I'm still so poor I have to DIE.
Stranger 1: Horrible, no?
Stranger 2: what's wrong with death?
Stranger 2: I'd be pretty pissed off if I were stuck here forever.
Stranger 1: Seeing how we're all running away from it so much,
Stranger 1: you'd think there was something wrong with it.
Stranger 1: > . >
Stranger 1: Most people wouldn't mind living "just one more day".
Stranger 1: I partly feel you, though,
Stranger 1: I'm OK with death.
Stranger 2: I'd prefer more than one day. But not too long.
Stranger 1: But I used death here to ... demonstrate the relativity of our poverty line.
Stranger 1: Or that aspect of it.
Stranger 1: There are more and less objective poverty lines, perhaps.
Stranger 2: when I say poverty I mean true poverty- being so poor you can't afford enough food to stay alive.
Stranger 2: like $1/day level.
Stranger 1: Aren't there many people who live like that?
Stranger 2: yeah, but everyone would be like that without capitalism.
Stranger 1: ... they're not so poor they don't stay alive. Most of the time.
Stranger 2: If they get the money to eat they're lucky.
Stranger 1: You don't need money to eat,
Stranger 1: some of them survive without.
Stranger 1: But money is what we use here among us specialists
Stranger 2: It's a pretty convenient way to obtain food though.
Stranger 1: who are great team players but can't
Stranger 1: "live on their own".
Stranger 1: Yeah well it's definitely convenient for some of us, yeah.
Stranger 1: ... but but, I do now maintain that capitalism isn't "the" reason
Stranger 1: we're well off.
Stranger 1: But that's not saying it's a bad social system.
Stranger 1: Just that it's one of many factors that affect the situation.
Stranger 2: it is though. the only people who complain about it are the poor. We can't take them seriously.
Stranger 1: No but it obviously isn't the only reason.
Stranger 1: Let me demonstrate.
Stranger 1: Say you take 100 specialists from developed countries
Stranger 1: (hand-picked in order to get the result we want)
Stranger 1: and then you cage them in the jungle.
Stranger 1: They'll be poor, possibly even die, and being capitalist won't save them.
Stranger 1: So in this sense, capitalism has perhaps worked well
Stranger 1: but it's certainly not sufficient for "no poverty".
Stranger 2: but in the real world... it's not a cage in the jungle.
Stranger 2: and it may not be sufficient for no poverty, but it's necessary. Otherwise economic growth is negligible.
Stranger 1: Well still, in some circumstances. And it "used to be" a jungle, they tell me.
Stranger 1: Well now we agree more.
Stranger 1: I didn't claim it's not necessary,
Stranger 1: but I did claim it's not (in some scenarios) sufficient.
Stranger 1: As for the necessity... hmmm...
Stranger 2: Good. Then stop complaining.
Stranger 1: Well I do think specialization is pretty handy.
Stranger 1: So if by capitalism we mean "trade" then
Stranger 1: I'd say it has its benefits.
Stranger 2: It's handiest when there are markets for specialised occupations.
Stranger 1 has disconnected


Question to discuss:
If capitalism is bad, socialism is bad, etc. what good is there?
Stranger 2: capitalism isn't bad
Stranger 2: but it requires free-market interest rates and sound money
Stranger 2: i.e. no central bank
Stranger 2: otherwise, it cannot allocate capital properly
Stranger 2: hence the bubbles
Stranger 2 has disconnected


Question to discuss:
If capitalism is bad, socialism is bad, etc. what good is there?
Stranger 1: dont understand the question
Stranger 2: How come you don't understand it?
Stranger 1: dont kno the meaning
Stranger 2: Capitalism is like America's market system.
Stranger 2: People here can get rich
Stranger 1: okay
Stranger 2: by their own ideas
Stranger 1: free market?
Stranger 2: creating their own businesses
Stranger 2: yes
Stranger 2: In socialism, the government tries to control everything
Stranger 1: so you cant get rich
Stranger 2: you can still be rich..
Stranger 2: Brazil is a somewhat socialist country
Stranger 2: with socialized health care
Stranger 1: okay, is healthcare related to the market
Stranger 2: everyone has the right to internet and electricity
Stranger 2: it is.
Stranger 1: in Brazil?
Stranger 2: Yes
Stranger 1: but in America you will have to be able to afford it
Stranger 2: Healthcare here, you have your giant health care companies that profit off it.
Stranger 1: to get the facilities
Stranger 2: Yeah, if you cant afford it, you don't get internet or electricity
Stranger 1: Socialist sounds good
Stranger 2: Brasil isn't full out socialist though
Stranger 2: people are afraid of socialist ideas... like socialized health care
Stranger 1: so a mix of Capitalism and Socialism, is good?
Stranger 2: because it has the word socialized in it
Stranger 2: yes
Stranger 1: but healthcare should be universal
Stranger 2: well, yeah.
Stranger 2: i don't think anyone should die because they can't afford health care
Stranger 1: yeah true
Stranger 2: In Brazil, the internet the govt provides to those who can't afford it is 1mbps
Stranger 1: that is pretty good
Stranger 2: The internet I pay for is .75mbps ._.
Stranger 1: lol
Stranger 2: Exactly
Stranger 1: its funny, how the system works
Stranger 1: may be because of the political nature
Stranger 2: It's funny how people here are so... complacent with their government.
Stranger 2: I'm glad for the "Occupy Wall St" protests.
Stranger 1: lol
Stranger 1: what would you propose, any ideas
Stranger 2: I don't see how cutting taxes will get the US out of major debt. If anything, they should be raising taxes. Also, the richer people should be paying more taxes than the middle class.
Stranger 1: i agree with the second comment,, the rich should pay more
Stranger 2: That's the thing with socialist countries.
Stranger 2: They have higher taxes, but the government is able to provide more for its people.
Stranger 2: That's why America doesn't agree with socialism.
Stranger 1: that is good in a way, equity should be the focus
Stranger 2: I don't support the war we're fighting
Stranger 1: Do you mean to say America doesnt agree with socialism because it will be added responsibility on the governmnet
Stranger 2: because it means higher taxes... and i mean higher taxes.
Stranger 2: the Republicans want smaller government
Stranger 2: but Democrats want bigger government power
Stranger 1: politically not helpful, i suppose
Stranger 2: that's why they call obama a socialist
Stranger 1: aha
Stranger 2: he passed the obamacare
Stranger 1: i like the sound of socialism, but there will be pit falls too
Stranger 2: he supports higher taxes
Stranger 2: yeah
Stranger 1: greater power to government all means there is a chance the economy might collapse in an unstable govt/
Stranger 2: and people are usually afraid of one person having too much power
Stranger 1: that's true, power can be misused
Stranger 2: have you ever watched a michael moore film?
Stranger 1: nope, but i have been planning to
Stranger 2: you should watch sicko
Stranger 2: it is about the health care
Stranger 1: is it by the same director
Stranger 2: yes.
Stranger 2: it's a michael moore film
Stranger 2: or capitalism: a true love story
Stranger 1: so to answer the question, any last words
Stranger 1: i guess i ll get hold of these two movies
Stranger 2: something closer to socialism that does not lose its grasp on capitalism
Stranger 1: hmm
Stranger 2: socialism--l-----------capitalism
Stranger 2: like that
Stranger 1: getting the right balance is difficult,
Stranger 2: to where its not completely socialism
Stranger 1: more Capitalism?
Stranger 2: more... yeah probably a two notches more
Stranger 1: any country which has been successful so far with a mix
Stranger 2: Have you heard about the BrIC countries?
Stranger 1: yeah
Stranger 1: Brazil, russia, india china
Stranger 2: US will no longer be the world power. It will be those guys!
Stranger 1: but i thought Russia was a socialist country
Stranger 2: It was a socialist country back when it was the USSR, but they disbanded in the early 1990s
Stranger 1: so is it predominantly Capitalist now
Stranger 2: I actually don't know.
Stranger 1: okay, but they seem to be emerging from the "ashes" again
Stranger 1: slowly and steadily
Stranger 2: yep. i'm glad the US is going down. people need to realize that this is not the best country in the world
Stranger 2: sometimes our democracy doesn't work. it takes too long to do anything. :l
Stranger 1: well they have spread themselves too thin
Stranger 2: i like the democracy
Stranger 2: i like voting
Stranger 1: democracy is good
Stranger 2: but the parties are too against each other to cooperate
Stranger 1: well, as long it benefits the country , all's well and good, keep an eye on each other
Stranger 2: i'm sure if obama went up there and decided to lower the taxes on the rich, the republicans would hate the idea just because a democrat said it
Stranger 1: lol
Stranger 2: same could be said about the democrats
Stranger 2: idk if you've been watching the republican debates, but they always talk about repealing the obamacare
Stranger 1: but there is someone to oppose, if the govt makes a bad move,
Stranger 1: i dont know much about the health reforms
Stranger 2: democrat does this, republican undoes it, democrat gets elected again and redoes it, republican undoes it again
Stranger 2: it's all that ever happens
Stranger 1: lol,its a circus
Stranger 2: yes. :O
Stranger 2: how old are you?
Stranger 1: 17
Stranger 1: how old are you?
Stranger 2: what will you be for halloween?
Stranger 2: i'm 18
Stranger 1: maybe ObamaRazz
Stranger 2: lololol
Stranger 1: thanks for making certain things clear
Stranger 2: no problem, but it is always better to research on your own and form your own opinion
Stranger 1: that's true
Stranger 2: it's hard sometimes though because the media is tricky
Stranger 1: yeah, with all the spin doctors around
Stranger 2: there was a study conducted that fox watchers were the most misinformed! google it! and don't watch fox news xD
Stranger 1: hahah
Stranger 2: i'm going to bed now.
Stranger 2: it's 4 am
Stranger 2: o_o
Stranger 1: even Google can be biased with their search results
Stranger 1: Ciao
Stranger 2: night
Stranger 1: night
Stranger 1 has disconnected
10-07-2011 07:10 PM
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RE: Conversations I witnessed

I think it's interesting how these people can have semi-intelligent conversations in the right settings.
What is your preferred economic system and why?
Stranger 1: None
Stranger 2: umm...
Stranger 1: They all have their bads in a way
Stranger 2: Anarchy?
Stranger 2 has disconnected

Oh my god I didn't know I hate my life used omegle.

"Ask them no more questions, never hear them lying"

People say the problem with me is I have psychotic tendencies and care not about other human beings I don't like and or know. So?
(This post was last modified: 10-08-2011 10:43 AM by Phrozen_Soul.)
10-08-2011 10:40 AM
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RE: Conversations I witnessed

Off topic: Omegle is great.

Previously known as Derchin.
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