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What do we need for an anarchy?
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What do we need for an anarchy?

Do you have a bank account? It might get frozen Paypal? It also abandoned Assange, so did mastercard. No need for debate about assange, I'm just using him as a recent example.

Maybe we need some sort of an anarchist bank that doesn't discriminate, or a more anonymous version of pay pal. What do you think?
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Most people here frown upon money and say "Disregard Currency, Acquire Communism" so there wouldn't be any need for banks
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ProfessorVonStrangle Wrote:Most people here frown upon money and say "Disregard Currency, Acquire Communism" so there wouldn't be any need for banks

So where will the anarchists put their money in the mean time? How will they make payments? Wikileaks lost its paypal account making it harder to receive donations, if a better alternative to paypal was in use then maybe it could have kept easily receiving donations.

My vision here is for the average joe to be independent of conventional bank accounts and credit cards etc, and be able to function in society without being silenced by the government at the blink of a eye.
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Re: What do we need for an anarchy?

If we were in Anarchy, we would have a gift economy so all "property" is shared. There would be no need for currency, and even if people still kept it, it would have no use.

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Sociopath Wrote:If we were in Anarchy, we would have a gift economy so all "property" is shared. There would be no need for currency, and even if people still kept it, it would have no use.
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Prince Rilian Wrote:
Sociopath Wrote:If we were in Anarchy, we would have a gift economy so all "property" is shared. There would be no need for currency, and even if people still kept it, it would have no use.
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voluntaryism requires respecting people's property rights.
Well maybe its not voluntarism then. Or maybe its like a modified version of it.

Property would still be respected, because since its all shared, desruction of another's property would mean destruction of your own.

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Osip Mandelstam Wrote:"I divide all of world literature into authorized and unauthorized works. The former are all trash; the latter--stolen air. I want to spit in the face of every writer who first obtains permission and then writes." The Fourth Prose, 1930.
Lukas Foss Wrote:That is why the analogy of stealing does not work. With a thief, we want to know how much money he stole, and from whom. With the artist it is not how much he took and from whom, but what he did with it.
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invest in a safe. what do you think the chances are of a bank robber raiding your house? alot less than the chances of the bank freezing your account and stealing your money

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Banks can be robbed. Hiding places can be found. Safes can be broken into. But I have yet to meet the burglar who can crack a 9mm hollowpoint.

I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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psychopath Wrote:Do you have a bank account? It might get frozen Paypal? It also abandoned Assange, so did mastercard. No need for debate about assange, I'm just using him as a recent example.

Maybe we need some sort of an anarchist bank that doesn't discriminate, or a more anonymous version of pay pal. What do you think?

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In Wikileaks's case, redacting the information was smart. Otherwise the government would of had enough against the organization to shut it down.

Besides, this is about ways for anarchists, and others who want to manage their money without government/bank/paypal help to do so.

If the government can freeze your accounts, and disallow you to make online exchanges, then that is a major problem anarchists need to address in order to become independent from the gov.

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Without a government to regulate currency, there would be no one means of payment, so establishing a national currency would be difficult if not next to impossible in an anarchy. I say we just barter and trade goods.
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genuine anarchist Wrote:Without a government to regulate currency, there would be no one means of payment, so establishing a national currency would be difficult if not next to impossible in an anarchy. I say we just barter and trade goods.

That could work, but us anarchists still live in the modern day capitalist/partly socialist world... Currency is still required to pay for houses/apartments, food, and other such things. In today's world, simply bartering will not suffice.

I like the idea of getting a big ass safe (too big to steal) and getting a gun, and just keeping your money at your home... Seems best to me. Unless someone wants to come to your house, kill you in a gun fight, and get 5+ guys to help them move a giant gun-safe (or whatever you use), I think you're going to be fine.

As for Paypal; I'm not sure. That's a hard problem to deal with. I doubt Paypal will start freezing accounts of individual anarchists though. If anything, you could just use a fake identity or something to use the service illegally.

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You silly people, there is no need for Anarchy when Great Leader can rule over all of you with is infinite wisdom and compassion! Rolleyes

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^I suppose the man who created the hamburger must be a good leader! Laugh
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What!? I did not invent the vile western slob known as the "Ham Burger!" North Koreans would never be subject to that disgusting food. Here they feast on only the finest of Gruel!

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Generally, since a state of anarchy/communism/socialism doesn't happen over-night, a friendly bank would be needed until power is shifted AND economic changes are finalized. As long as you are in Rome, you have to do as the Romans do; that is, until you aren't in Rome anymore.

A bank sympathetic to the anarchist school of thought sounds like a great idea until you realize that most, if not all banks have to answer to the Fed in some way. And to top it off, cheques from an anarchist bank could be refused by other banks if they saw fit (ie told to make life difficult for us).

I do agree though that a "safe" bank is needed to protect financial interests of people that hold non-conforming beliefs whether anarchist, communist, or whatever have you. Fact is though, Big Brother can easily shut down any attempt by claiming affiliation with radical terrorist cells.
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