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The Indignities of Being Young
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The Indignities of Being Young

copied from http://www.oneandfour.org/archives/2006/...ities.html

Ageism manifests itself in so many ways. Typically at NYRA we chose to focus on the big issues that are enshrined in law and stand as barriers to equal status and civic involvement for youth like the voting age or the drinking age. However it is often the day-to-day elements of our age apartheid system that are the most insulting.

Its the little indignities that build and accumulate to form the frustration young people feel. Like blacks in Montgomery, Alabama being made to sit in the back of the bus was just a small matter. It really didn't have any wide reaching consequences for blacks like the denial of their voting rights did. However it was a daily reminder that whites were deemed better, superior, more deserving of some honor or privilege. Facing such a social system strips away one's dignity. It is in this multitude of small ways that youth have their pride and dignity striped away from them by ageism.

This story from the NYRA Forums is one more example of this:

NYRA forum post Wrote:Earlier this morning, I was lap swimming at the YMCA, and this lifeguard came up to me and said: LIFEGUARD: You're going to have to stay in the shallow end. ME: Why? (right eyebrow up) LIFEGUARD: Because a lady wants to swim in this lane. We can't allow children to lap swim if the pool is full. ME: This is a problem. LIFEGUARD: Well then you're going to have to get out.

He wasn't causing a disturbance. He wasn't screwing around. He was doing laps. Exact same thing the adult wanted to do. Yet because he was young he had to get out to allow the adult to swim instead.

The adult is deemed superior in this society and is given special privileges. Just like whites were before the Civil Rights movement. Blacks had to give up their seats to whites, youth have to give up their pool lanes to adults.

This teen wasn't just asked to give up the lap he was swimming in, he was asked to give up his dignity. Asked to give up his self-respect and his very humanity. When you have to submit yourself to such a system you lose a bit of yourself. Afflicted with a million pinpricks of ageism, the self-worth and idealism of youth dies a slow death. They grow cynical and weary. And after many years of submitting to an unjust authority, ultimately their young self dies and becomes... an adult. I can think of no worse injustice.

Age apartheid isn't a system that protects youth, it is a system that protects adults. It enshrines and protects adult privilege, which is its intent and purpose. Indeed it creates adults, the worst kind of them. Bitter, cynical, tired, and selfish. Adults who instead of turning on the corrupt system that broke them down years ago, embrace that system and use it for their own benefit. Adults who think they can make themselves feel better by stripping the dignity away from others. But kicking kids out of the pool isn't going to bring your youth back; it is just going to destroy someone else's.

Some have accused the youth rights movement of trying to destroy childhood, and making all kids into adults. Indeed it is quite the opposite. Our current age apartheid system is destroying childhood and kills our youth into a bitter adulthood. We don't wish to destroy childhood, we wish to destroy adulthood, and in so doing save both youth and adults.

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Man,I hate stupid Shit like that...
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Ok I have a story that kind of related to the first topic. I saw it on Haunted Mansions around the World. Well here it is:
Well a care-free girl named sally was sent to a bording school after he widowed mother remarried to a guy who didn't want to raise another mans child. So she hid her pet turtle and wen to the bording school. Well the headmaster there was a real asshole. He "struck fear into little children just by his mear presence". And she was grounded into the house one day, and she had to sew something. Well she didn't want tp so she snuck out to play with her turtle.
K the headmaster noticed she was missing and he went out to find her. When he did, he went in to a rageRanting. So he tied her hands together and tied her to a gravestone in a deserted graveyard.Jawdrop Well she was scared as hell. There was a whole bunch of wierd stories about that place too. Well she saw flaming eyes and a mouthEvil, and fainted. Although the "flaming ghost" was just a lantern held by a slave(this was in the 16-17 century) and when he saw her he went to get help. She was 7 years old at the time, and the experience turmed her from a care-free, fun-loving child into a suspicious, angry adult. Poeple say she now haunts her old home, trying to refill the missed childhood years.
See the point? But yeah, anyway. The funny thing is with popularity, and slavery, ageism is just poeple wanting to feel more special than others, so they put them down. This really relates to the old saying "respect your elders" which my brother(19) used this on me yesterday because I was "being a smartass":shooting:which i encountered with "but I thought being smart was a good thing":rocket:, which he then tried to stab me with his forkStabhead(he's in dire need of anger management). Well it was all about who should go on the computer(yeah I know we're all computer freaks) but since he was older I guess he had more of a right.Grindteeth
I'm actually suprised, once you start thinking about it, how much adults think they're better than you. Because "your too young" and shit like that. The funny thing is in the definition of ageism, it says that its usually against old poeple which infact who yells more, a teenager for his grampa taking too long in the bathroom, or the teenager for screwing up....

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man that sux

I AM A THIEF IN THE NIGHT I WILL SAVE AS MANY AS I CAN

I KEEP THEM IN MY BASEMENT

I TELL THEM I AM THEIR MOMMY NOW
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i wish i had a turtle

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hahahahahahahaha

alucard ur fuckin weird man

..................i wanna turtle to????????

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....SO DO I!

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lmffao

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a turtles for everybody

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that one is mine
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that one is FoN's
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an that one is sorrow's

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TURTLE! TURTLE! TURTLE!

I'll name [him] BOB!!!
OR [her]... BOB!
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You're a strange girl, FON.
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woo hoo i got a turtle im puttin him in my signature

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Quote:You're a strange girl, FON.
Yes Mwahaha Evil

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hey, there's nothing wrong with being strange.

unless you're running for president, of course.

I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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That is amazingly good point Laugh

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The Indignities of Being Young

"We don't wish to destroy childhood, we wish to destroy adulthood, and in so doing save both youth and adults.'

Beautiful.

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"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.

Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.

There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?

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Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?

Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.

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(01-04-2017 01:38 PM)Superkamiguru Wrote:  "We don't wish to destroy childhood, we wish to destroy adulthood, and in so doing save both youth and adults.'

Beautiful.

their pee should hv been shot out like a ki blast breaking the rocks

oh and also No one has any rights. We're free, rights create invisible restrictions. But we live in a society where the majority accepts rights to be true.
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You bump your own post in hubris

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You'd do the same.

their pee should hv been shot out like a ki blast breaking the rocks

oh and also No one has any rights. We're free, rights create invisible restrictions. But we live in a society where the majority accepts rights to be true.
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Most likely.

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Quote:from a care-free, fun-loving child into a suspicious, angry adult

That's me. That's me alright.

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Lol and yet they teach us "manners" and that bullshit

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RE: The Indignities of Being Young

i have pretty much no qualms, if someone wants to make a big deal about it, defending my kids rights against some asshole trying to pull that crap.

politeness is important, but I think sometimes people do need to be told to fuck off

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