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One in four men like pre-pubescent girls. Sexually that is. But sex with minors is frowned upon and they bury these feelings. The stigma of being labelled a pedophile is too much to bear. Even when child molesters are put in jail they refuse to call themself pedophiles. Burying feelings just doesn't work. People who are sexually attracted to children may understand why they shouldn't act on those feelings. But they still feel the urge. Instead of stigmatizing these people we need to understand that there is a difference between a person who is sexually attracted to young boys and girls, a pedophile, and a child molester.

We need to recognize that a large portion of the population has these sexual responses. Society says that anybody who has these feelings are sick and disturbed and so those who are attracted to minors may feel horrible. Not being able to talk about certain things because they are disgusting and forbidden causes severe harm. It's like homosexuality. When being gay was something that might get you assaulted, there was no way to understand and except being gay.

Like I said, about one in four men have occasional sexual feelings towards young girls. This doesn't mean they will have sex with them, just they want to. It is the remnant of our short lives in ages past. When an elder is less than 50 years old, what is mature is much younger. When the survival of the species is at stake, the younger a girl starts having children the more she will have and so the greater chance of survival.

There are also pedophiles. Pedophiles are sexually attracted to minors but they also truly love them. Their love comes first. That's not to say they wouldn't have sex with minors. They recognize that all humans are sexual, from ages 0 to 125. There are many stories of positive sexuality between adults and children.

Then there are child rapists. Situational offenders are those who feel sexual attraction to minors only during certain times. There are also the few child rapists who repeatedly offend and are labelled pedophiles by the news.

I think the stigma stems from the mythical innocence of children. Children aren't innocent, just ignorant. They are just as capable of cruelty and hatred as adults. You can see this from all the school massacres. In 1998, a 13 and 11 year old killed four students and a teacher. In 1993, two ten year olds beat a two year old to death with a bricks and a 10 kg iron bar. Because of this myth of childhood innocence, people go up in arms when any threat to their child's innocence arises. The problem is that this innocence doesn't exist.

Sex supposedly "takes" innocence. If that innocence doesn't exist we aren't facing reality. The reality is every human is sexual, though not to the same degree and type, and that purity/virginity isn't something that is important. There are three things we need to recognize: 1) Children are sexual; 2) Sex can be pleasant and enjoyable; and 3) Appropriate and positive sexuality between adults and children can and does happen.
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although, if its a little kid then the kid may not know what's going on, which means the pedo is taking advantage of him. you make some good points, but i'm still wary to trust these people.

and as for the child rapists, LYNCH. THEM. ALL.

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As a person who has been sexually abused, I'd like to bring a different perspective to this.

I agree with you for the most part. On how we one-time offenses shoudln't be stamped as pedophilia and that we should gear a different view towards those that experience an attraction to kids. Look at the advertising industry. They know it, and they use it. Maybe not with children so much but with young teenage girls.

As far as positive relationships go, I have to agree with Rebelnerd. Not all cases will be like this but kids have a tendency to think they're thinking with a clear-head when it's anything but that. Taking advantage of these kids is not something to be tolerated.

Now I don't mind it whe it's on a smaller scale. Example. I was fourteen and this kid was eleven. I totally crushed on him. Two years later we got together. Pretty soon I'm going to be eighteen and he's going to still be fourteen. We've known eachother since we were both definite kids but there was enough of a gap so that five years down the line, it's going to be an adult-kid relationship. I tend to get sensitive over age-gap debates because people give me so much crap about being a senior dating a freshmen. But you know what? Everyone assumes he's in college when they talk to him online. They're cool with it and they think we make a cute couple. The minute his age is brought up, fire in the hole! Insults insults insults. I consider it to be fucking ridiculous.

While grown men and young teenage girls still bother me, I try and keep an open mind.

This reminds me of a couple other issues I've been pushing lately. Multiple city districts are tightening the restrictions on sexual offenders of all types. Before it was they couldn't go near a school. Now it's turning into "They can't enter within a mile of a school or park". One town even meant to ban them entirely. A nearby city is trying to keep sexual offenders from living within a half mile of any place where children congregate.

It's fucking ridiculous in my opinion. It scares me to think that cities can do that.

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Now this is a refreshing take on the subject :biggrin:

(real) Child molesters must burn in hell, but if it's actually mutual, then there's nothing wrong with it. The more I see, the more I believe that age really does mean nothing. My boyfriend is 8 years older than me (he's 32) but acts like a 12 year old wackjob Mwahaha So, like, when he was 16, I was 8. When you put it like that, it sounds like a lot Giggle

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Happy Camper Wrote:Look at the advertising industry. They know it, and they use it. Maybe not with children so much but with young teenage girls.
I was listening to Pedologues, a pedophile podcast, and they were interviewing a girl, her mother, and one of their friends (nickname Albertross) who is a pedophile. Both the girl and the mother didn't care that the man was a pedo, and the mother even said that based on her experiences with the friend, she wished all parents were pedophiles. Anyways, the mother made a comment similar to yours. She was talking about how parents dress up little girls sexily and say "Look how precious she is, awww (random cutesy crap)" but "don't touch her, hey that guys looking at her too long, he's disgusting he's a pedophile." Basically we've created this double standard where when girls are sexy it's good but then when anybody thinks of them as sexy it's wrong.

SoulRiser Wrote:if it's actually mutual
The girl was asked if she ever had any sexual feelings about Albertross, and was a bit grossed out by the thought. He was just a loving person in her life. Pedophiles may find girls sexy, but if they are true childlovers the attraction will be more than physical.

Rebelnerd Wrote:the kid may not know what's going on, which means the pedo is taking advantage of him
Yeah, I agree. If the kid doesn't understand then it's wrong to do anything sexual with them. But it all depends on the situation. Albertross was "molested" by a man when he was young. In retrospective he saw that he loved him, but during the relationship all he knew was that he wanted to be with the man. When he was seperated for a few days he felt love-sickness. But because he was young and inexperienced, he didn't recognize it as love. There was a sexual aspect to the relationship, but for both of them the most important thing was being together. The relationship came to an end after a sermon at church saying that sex between men or out of marriage is a sin. Albertross told his lover he didn't want to go to hell and he never saw him again.

Anyways, surveys of pedophiles has shown that most would refuse to have sex with children.

Rebelnerd Wrote:and as for the child rapists, LYNCH. THEM. ALL.
I think they need our compassion. Most repeat offenders were raped as a child.
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Quote:although, if its a little kid then the kid may not know what's going on, which means the pedo is taking advantage of him
True, but its still not doing harm to the child, if the child is being taken advantage of, but they think they're not, then what harm comes to the child?
Most people, you for example, don't like pedos cause you think that it hurts the child. But in the childs mind, s/he's not being hurt at all. ect.


And why is still really fucking taboo? Like when people see kids actually enjoying it they get sick, but if they watch adults do it its perfectly natural. Wtf

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i know. i would like to know that too.

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freak-of-nature14 Wrote:And why is still really fucking taboo? Like when people see kids actually enjoying it they get sick, but if they watch adults do it its perfectly natural. Wtf
That's what I was trying to say with the myth of childhood innnocence. Most people think kids shouldn't be sexual and then they freak out when it happens. People try to hide the real world from children to protect them.

Sex is fun, kids are capable of having sex, and kids are good at finding things that are fun to do. "Yeah but kids can't consent." I'd have to say that any normal person over the age of eight can comprehend basic sexual education. If they can understand sickness, they can understand sex. STDs are sicknesses that transfer by sex. Pregnancy happens when the stuff in semen gets in a vagina, just like you can get sick when someone sneezes on you. That's all there is to it.
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yeah, I think that they are perfectly capable. Health last year, which has nothing to do with sex, that most kids are masturbating by the age of 5 or 4, because they have found that what they do has sexcual pleasure. Then that eventually leads to sex, and yeah. Thats all i remember, and dont believe its entirely true.

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My mom tried to educate me by giving me what is possibly the worst book ever to teach a kid about sex. It was an ancient book about pregnancy and far too advanced for my age. I was puzzled for years about what the hell one picture was. I now knowit was talking about the cervix dilating but it really confused me. At first I thought it was a penis head, but how the hell can you take a picture of it when it's stuck inside a person. So it must come from the back and go into the front, which confused me more. So how am I supposed to stick it in and have it come out of the front? Very confusing for an 11 year old.

I really learned about sex by pornography. The first porn I saw was on a CD that someone (most likely my brother) had left jammed next to the computer in the office at church. Needless to say, I watched it a billion times. It was much more educational than than the book. The only interesting part of the book was a fairly disgusting birth sequence but it was the only part when the outside of the genitals are shown.
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Yay! Porn! That was my education, until I started working with living partners. Way under-rated as an educational tool. Nonetheless, there certainly are some problems with it.

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uh..yeah. Once i stumbled upon a porn site when i was 6, before my dad blocked those kind of sites, and i was curious and looked at it for like three hours.

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AH! ew...

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yeah, now when i look back on it, it is pretty gross. Wtf

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How is it gross??
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surreal_mayhem Wrote:if an adult is sexually attracted to kids, even if its mutual & theyre in love and everything.. what happens when the kid is an adult?
I think that some would stop liking them sexually but still love them as people. Others might keep on going. Like that one teacher. She technically was a pedophile for loving one of her students, but now the student is legal and they're married.

surreal_mayhem Wrote:the younger person only wants to date older people
Therapists and parents should shut up and listen to what their kids are actually saying. If a little girl came home with a tale of a nice man doing fun things to her, the parents would immediately assume she was harmed and raped even though she has no outward signs of trauma and she didn't suggest he hurt her.

surreal_mayhem Wrote:My best friend was prolly the best thing I couldve learned it from XD
That's the gist of it. Why can't an adult be the best friend of a kid?
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Quote:btw the best friend I was talking about is a half yr younger than me >.>
Yeah I assumed that. I was suggesting that one of you didn't have to be near the same age to have the same benefit.

Quote:should wait til theyre atleast 15-16 to have sex
I don't think that there should be any penetration unless a person is physically capable of it, but I see no problem with other actions before that. I don't see why sex should be thought of as any different from other potentially risky activity.

Quote:u can look to see how something will effect u lator down the line
I can understand how this is beneficial but i think that we need to get away from seeing sexual activity as something that is huge and important. Sexual activity should be just one facet of entertainment and social activity. Meaning that we should see sexual activity as something fun to do and not some life changing experience. (Not to say it can't be a life changing experience, just it isn't most of the time.) For example, if an adult and a child can pleasure each other, without using force, I don't think it should be different from going to the movies or something.
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yes, Id say the exact same thing.

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SoulRiser Wrote:Now this is a refreshing take on the subject :biggrin:

(real) Child molesters must burn in hell, but if it's actually mutual, then there's nothing wrong with it. The more I see, the more I believe that age really does mean nothing. My boyfriend is 8 years older than me (he's 32) but acts like a 12 year old wackjob Mwahaha So, like, when he was 16, I was 8. When you put it like that, it sounds like a lot Giggle

Laugh Laugh Laugh hehehehe!!! HAHAHAHAH!!!! ... say hi to gramps for me.

But seriously am i the only one that finds Kirbys enthusiasm of the subject somewhat ... disturbing? If your ever watching the news and u see one of those police raids were they confiscate some guys computer and thiers like 20 gigs of child porn on it we all know who it is .... kirby.

Its like BigWolf said "I'm in the same situation as HC, my boyfriend is 18, while I'm soon to be 16." Wow...wow... buddy... what happend at the gay orgy party stays at the gay orgy party. Theres no need to be posting it all over the net like some picture of Jessica Alba with one of her nipples exposed. Geez...

Im from the school of doc johnson "Yay! Porn! That was my education." Yea thats right Doc porns cool. As long as you werent watching it when you were 3 years old, and if you were then... HOLY SHIT!!!

Now hey im one of the first guys thats gonna say that a grown women in a plait skirt, knee high white socks, blowing a bubble of chewing gum is hot, really hot! But theres a saying in my part of the world: If theres grass on the wicket then its time to play cricket. It think it should be left at that.

And if your an american imperialist pig and you dont know what cricket is then ur gay because baseball players wear tight pants and they are gay.... no offence bigwolf...
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Quote:But seriously am i the only one that finds Kirbys enthusiasm of the subject somewhat ... disturbing?
What I was trying to say is that a romantic or sexual relationship between an adult and a minor is not always harmful to the minor. In many cases that sort of relationship is harmful but mainly because of the culture we live in. If it is rape then it will cause far more harm than rape of an adult.

Quote:Wow...wow... buddy... what happend at the gay orgy party stays at the gay orgy party.
Who says that all gay people have orgies?
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Kirby Wrote:What I was trying to say is that a romantic or sexual relationship between an adult and a minor is not always harmful to the minor.

Yea, um, like i said, somewhat .... disturbing.
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yeah. Yes

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NAMBLA-> Rocket <-ME

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hahahah NAMBLA die from rebelenerd's wrath Mwahaha Laugh

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fucking organized pervs, no wonder politicions return all their donation checks. people like them are the reason grenades were invented.

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rofl.

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A lot of NAMBLA members have turned out to be only in it for the sweet sweet boy meat. As opposed to the rest who are in it to actually fight for freedom of sexual relations.
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Kirby Wrote:A lot of NAMBLA members have turned out to be only in it for the sweet sweet boy meat.

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What the fuck is Plastic Man-Woman?
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You don't know? It's Michael Jackson!

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