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escru Wrote:I am going into chartered accountancy in Canada. Tell me how you can skip 5 years of post-secondary learning, kiss someones ass, and get in without any work experience in said relative field.

Why would I want to.

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escru Wrote:Lol. Thats all I can say.

I'm Canadian, and in high school (gr 12). I'm not too sure about american schools, but from what I've heard like everyone fucking drops out and works at target and try to scrap some online course.

Of course, you can say that the American high school system (or whatever the fuck you call it) has failed american youth. I think its just the youth problem. Theres this mentality that school sucks. I know this is gonna hurt you since you people sound fairly intelligent, but dropouts are just plain stupid.

I mean think about it. Life is hard. Do you just give up cuz your teacher is being gay? No. You know the reason why old people keep saying youngsters are turning out for the worse? Its because you have it SO much easier yet you still complain and bitch to no end.

What makes you think you can succeed in life if you give up so easily. Sure its boring - every job in the world is fucking boring. You can say the world is just entrapped in being quiet and doing mindless work. This doesn't just apply to high school. So with that information, what makes you think you can succeed in real life if you couldn't even fucking handle juniour science?

I'm gonna have to say this - have fun working at target or walmart or mcdonalds. I know SOME of you will be able to get semi decent jobs without attending highschool or college/university. But the MAJORITY will become fucking hobos, or take to the streets. Heck, you'll be drifing in and out of jobs and living possibly in your rent's basements.

That was long, yes, but I'd just like to conclude by saying if you can fucking handle school, you most probably cant handle life in general.


ur american btw just to break the news to u. where is canada located? north america which makes u northern AMERICAN.
im not going to agree or disagree to ur opinions after all everything is in the eye of the beholder theres no rite or wrong for anything. but i am going to say that u cant compare something so grand and uncontrollable as life to something so tiny and trivial to junior science or a crappy teacher.

try looking at life differently, at a different angle. im only in the 9th grade and i do want to dropout i have no desire to stay in school, does that make me weak or stupid? i dont think that i think abiding to other people makes u weak and stupid. i dont have any plans for the future and i dont plan to make any. im just living life as it is. sure i might not b rich or successful in other peoples eyes but i dont really care. my idea of succeeding life is to have fun and die peacefully. sure thats might sound like a childish way of thinking since reality is nothin like that.

sry to say this but ur post makes u sound like a asshole Yes and i do think that u have not truly thought for urself in a long time since all those things u wrote ive heard them hundreds of times before.
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milkduds Wrote:ur american btw just to break the news to u. where is canada located? north america which makes u northern AMERICAN.
im not going to agree or disagree to ur opinions after all everything is in the eye of the beholder theres no rite or wrong for anything. but i am going to say that u cant compare something so grand and uncontrollable as life to something so tiny and trivial to junior science or a crappy teacher.

try looking at life differently, at a different angle. im only in the 9th grade and i do want to dropout i have no desire to stay in school, does that make me weak or stupid? i dont think that i think abiding to other people makes u weak and stupid. i dont have any plans for the future and i dont plan to make any. im just living life as it is. sure i might not b rich or successful in other peoples eyes but i dont really care. my idea of succeeding life is to have fun and die peacefully. sure thats might sound like a childish way of thinking since reality is nothin like that.

sry to say this but ur post makes u sound like a asshole Yes and i do think that u have not truly thought for urself in a long time since all those things u wrote ive heard them hundreds of times before.

Fucker hasn't been active in over a month. His arguments have already been proven nil. No need to reply.

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Great, great article. I hope you don't mind that I transferred this to Word, made a few changes (I don't like plaguerism) and I'm going to show it to my parents soon. Hopefully this will wash some of the shit out of their heads.

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Nothing renews my confidence like reading through old posts.

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Sorryz for the bump.

My friend told me this: If school was optional, wouldn't most kids not go to school and just sit at home playing online games? And that the kids that did go to school were probably put there by their parents, so the choice of optional schooling wouldn't work anyway and would be just the same as compulsory schooling. Because if your at the age when kids go to school (5 y/o) your too young to make choices like that.
So it's either don't go to school and sit at home doing nothing or go to school but not by your free will.

Someone please find an argument that can counter these statements.
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The problem is that they are assuming the kids will do "nothing" (presumably nothing educational). So give 'em some examples of kids doing useful/educational stuff in their own free time that they chose to do themselves. Preferably examples of people they know, so it doesn't seem so "far-fetched".

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SoulRiser Wrote:The problem is that they are assuming the kids will do "nothing" (presumably nothing educational). So give 'em some examples of kids doing useful/educational stuff in their own free time that they chose to do themselves. Preferably examples of people they know, so it doesn't seem so "far-fetched".
Yeah, okay then.

So how about if someone said: What exact things would kids have to do out of school that would help them learn?
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Lessee, I've looked up how genetics works, I've READ BOOKS on DNA. If I'm interested in it I WILL LOOK INTO IT UNTIL I'M SATISFIED.

Seriously, I'm NOT INTERESTED IN HISTORY WHY SHOULD I LEARN IT.

Learning math is a tad more difficult than others.

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SoulRiser Wrote:The problem is that they are assuming the kids will do "nothing" (presumably nothing educational). So give 'em some examples of kids doing useful/educational stuff in their own free time that they chose to do themselves. Preferably examples of people they know, so it doesn't seem so "far-fetched".
Yeah, okay then.

So how about if someone said: What exact things would kids have to do out of school that would help them learn?
I take it you mean how people will learn out of school?

That people who are forced to learn something learn it in about five days to half a year (depending on what you're learning). When they learn it on their own time, it's greatly excelerated, possible up to half the time. (Someone, correct me if I'm wrong/off)

They could learn their interests and master them, so they can get a job in the field they love.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:
Linki Wrote:
SoulRiser Wrote:The problem is that they are assuming the kids will do "nothing" (presumably nothing educational). So give 'em some examples of kids doing useful/educational stuff in their own free time that they chose to do themselves. Preferably examples of people they know, so it doesn't seem so "far-fetched".
Yeah, okay then.

So how about if someone said: What exact things would kids have to do out of school that would help them learn?
I take it you mean how people will learn out of school?

That people who are forced to learn something learn it in about five days to half a year (depending on what you're learning). When they learn it on their own time, it's greatly excelerated, possible up to half the time. (Someone, correct me if I'm wrong/off)

They could learn their interests and master them, so they can get a job in the field they love.
Cool, thanks CC and Soul. This will be good when I have my daily arguments with teachers.
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Would you rather have your child know one thing but know it damn well or mere snippets of lots of things?

Which do you think people do a)on their own or b)at school?

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Some idiot commenting on a "The War On Kids" video said that compulsory schooling is needed because "look at the comments on youtube"

Yeah, the kids have bad spelling. However, that is a reason to breach their rights? Also, they ARE being forced into school, and it doesn't seem to be helping.
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Memento Mori Wrote:Some idiot commenting on a "The War On Kids" video said that compulsory schooling is needed because "look at the comments on youtube"

Yeah, the kids have bad spelling. However, that is a reason to breach their rights? Also, they ARE being forced into school, and it doesn't seem to be helping.

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Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:Would you rather have your child know one thing but know it damn well or mere snippets of lots of things?

Which do you think people do a)on their own or b)at school?

First point. That is the primary debate between liberal arts and specialized education.

On their own, at school point: First, one must understand the two guns of propaganda in this system is public school and western media. Those affected by Western media, as well disillusioned by school conform to the standards of Western media, movies ,games...
Thus there are four scenarios.
1. Conform to school, conform to western media
2. conform to school, ignore western media
3. ignore school, conform to western media
4. ignore school, ignore western media

From my experiences, I have been in the positions of 1,2,4. And to truly live an intellectual life, a life driven by curiosity and passion not intimidation of coercion, 4, is a truly wonder experience.
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okmijn22 Wrote:
Trekkie_Aspie Wrote:Would you rather have your child know one thing but know it damn well or mere snippets of lots of things?

Which do you think people do a)on their own or b)at school?

First point. That is the primary debate between liberal arts and specialized education.

On their own, at school point: First, one must understand the two guns of propaganda in this system is public school and western media. Those affected by Western media, as well disillusioned by school conform to the standards of Western media, movies ,games...
Thus there are four scenarios.
1. Conform to school, conform to western media
2. conform to school, ignore western media
3. ignore school, conform to western media
4. ignore school, ignore western media

From my experiences, I have been in the positions of 1,2,4. And to truly live an intellectual life, a life driven by curiosity and passion not intimidation of coercion, 4, is a truly wonder experience.
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Someone said school is worth going to because of "friends".

MAYBE, I am not a social butterfly.
MAYBE, I do not care about making any more friends.
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, I am not the same as my peers.
AND MAYBE, I am my own person.

Seriously, if something works out for you in school, the same is not going to happen with everyone else.
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Not to mention, school is a horrible way to socialize.
And there are plenty of other ways to make friends.

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"Spanking is not child abuse"


Really? Using pain and fear to manipulate a child is not abuse?
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Memento Mori Wrote:Someone said school is worth going to because of "friends".

MAYBE, I am not a social butterfly.
MAYBE, I do not care about making any more friends.
MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, I am not the same as my peers.
AND MAYBE, I am my own person.

Seriously, if something works out for you in school, the same is not going to happen with everyone else.
CERTAINLY, school is certainly NOT the only place to make friends,
AND CERTAINLY, the world is much bigger, with much more kinds of people and possibilities than god damn SCHOOL!

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Here's one:
What Would you do if you didn't go to school?

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Jmusial Wrote:Here's one:
What Would you do if you didn't go to school?
Be better at everything, by learning things that will actually be useful. Starting to do something and making money.

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Jmusial Wrote:Here's one:
What Would you do if you didn't go to school?

Lear things I was interested in.


What I think we need in alternative to school would be; programs oriented toward introducing youngins to new things, and if they want to learn more, direct them to websources and the like. Television programs.

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Jmusial Wrote:Here's one:
What Would you do if you didn't go to school?

Learn things I was interested in.
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Kirby Wrote:4. "You should be glad that you have schooling, what about the millions that don't?"

You should be glad you have someone to rape you. What about the millions of people who don't get any sex at all?

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Kirby Wrote:2."If children didn't go to school, how would they learn to do X?"

Answer:Parents teach children to read all the time and parents could probably teach other basic skills as well. More complex subjects would require a knowledgeable individual, but those individuals are everywhere. Also realize that if school is voluntary, it does not mean that everybody will stop going.

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Random person Wrote:Great idea!
I'm sure that will greatly benefit our economy.
Just imagine how many workers McDonalds could hire!

What would be a good pro argument for this?

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Kirby Wrote:Answer: Parents teach children to read all the time and parents could probably teach other basic skills as well.
Ew. My parents didn't teach me anything. Reading, like every other skill ever in the entire world, can't be taught/forced into someone's head. They have to learn it themselves. Reading, like everything else ever, is much better learned on one's own schedule rather than someone else's.

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I don't understand the randon person's response. Why are they saying that shit? Are they going right back to the bullshit about how kids won't do anything ever unless they are forced or coerced?

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Re: Pro-School Arguments

Prince Rilian Wrote:@ Slick:
I don't understand the randon person's response. Why are they saying that shit? Are they going right back to the bullshit about how kids won't do anything ever unless they are forced or coerced?

I guess he's saying if that kids decided to go forth on doing
alternative learning besides going to school, it would be bad for our economy.

He just decided to state it in a sarcastic tone though.

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07-26-2010 08:04 AM
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Re: Pro-School Arguments

An actual person said this to you?

Because the argument is "without school, how learn x?" And the response is, "like this." And this person's response just rejects that. He's not really responding to it. He didn't even state his rejection, but it's behind what he said. He doesn't believe the "like this." So, if this is a real person you are talking to, address that. Ask him why he thinks it won't work to learn what you need/want when you need/want by enlisting the assisstance of someone whose help you want and who wants to help you.

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07-26-2010 08:09 AM
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