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I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.

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Apathy and Sensitivity
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Re: Apathy and Sensitivity

Oops bump. I don't know if I'd be able to love someone if they actually tortured me. But then I don't really love a whole lot of people (much) anyway, so if it was someone I already love who tortured me... Shrug
I honestly don't know if I still would. I'd like to think I'd be able to, but I don't know if I'm strong enough for that. But then I don't think I'd really love someone who was likely to actually torture anyone in the first place...

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"unconditional love" to me, is loving that person within the boundaries of reason. If the person changes completely, then he/she isn't that person anymore. Any more than changing 60% deserves a re-evaluation of the person.

Inb4 AWOL pointing out the definition of "unconditional"

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Is a person really a collection of personality traits, or is there more to them than that?

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SoulRiser Wrote:Is a person really a collection of personality traits, or is there more to them than that?
Nope. Just personality and appearance.

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CrayolaColours Wrote:"unconditional love" to me, is loving that person within the boundaries of reason. If the person changes completely, then he/she isn't that person anymore. Any more than changing 60% deserves a re-evaluation of the person.

Inb4 AWOL pointing out the definition of "unconditional"

I swear there's a logical fallacy for that last line somewhere.

Yeah, the definition is important. 'Reasonable love' is kind of what I'm pushing here.

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There's a difference between loving someone and being a complete doormat and letting them walk all over you and stuff... Unconditional love doesn't mean you have to give up your dignity. Most people seem to think the two are mutually exclusive somehow... "He hurt me, therefore I shouldn't love him anymore"... it's a bit like apologizing when you're wrong - a lot of people think it's a weak thing to do, but it's actually a sign of strength.

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Stating 'unconditional love' is just stupid. Reasonable love, much better.

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I love necro-bumping.

The battle of apathy vs sensitivity. Personally, I think I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm apathetic enough not to let things get to me, yet I'm sensitive enough to give a shit, too.

However, some people are far too apathetic. My brother is a great example of an overly apathetic person. He literally has the "I don't give a shit about anyone as long as it doesn't affect me" attitude. Literally. As long as it doesn't affect him, he doesn't care, and tries to preach that same philosophy to me. Well, get this message, asshole: other people's lives are just as real as your's. Just because their issues don't directly affect you doesn't mean you should just completely ignore them. I remember one time where I was actually shedding tears over the Japan earthquake and my brother was yelling at me to stop caring.

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