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Id just like to make a post to ask some of you to be nicer to certain groups of people. On this site in particular i've seen some offensive comments against emos. Why do some of you hate them? Why cant we leave alone, the goths,emos, punks whatevr? I know some of all those types i've just said and they're great people. They have reasons for doing what you call is 'weird' (slitting wrists ect). In the last decade or so black people, chinese people have been accepted and racism is looked down upon. So in the same manner can you be nice to all the types of people mentioned, thank you

If you do hate these people please reply and say why so we can sort this out
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Ha ha.....hahahahahaha

Shit dude, no one said they hated goths or emo's.....
If anyone is talking about emo's, I'm sure they are talking about marketed filth emo....Like this idiot.

http://www.etniesmotox.com/site-images/ ... irfull.jpg
This guy probably thinks that emo means emotional.....haha....


And as for the goths.....no one said they hated them. I hate mallgoths....

Mallgoth - An upper middle class teen that lives in the suburbs and thinks that hot topic, marilyn manson, and slipknot is goth.

Here is a mallgoth
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Here is a mallgoth's invisionment of goth music.
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Goth - An intelligent individual that partakes in the goth subculture, knows the history, knows what is and is not goth.(Musically wise mostly.)
Here is a goth's invisionment of goth music.

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See the difference in the two? (you would actually have to hear it)


And dude, punk?
No one said anything about that....



And can you please copy and paste some of these offensive comments that you have read?

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i don't recall these offensive comments, but that's beside the point. look, if you don't like predjudice then don't do it. its stupid, yes, but its people's right to hate whoever they want. and if you support free speech, you have to be ready to defend it even if its for people who you don't agree with. as long as we're not out there lynching emos, then we can say what we want. it would be nice if this site was a refuge from the epidemic of political correctness.

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I agree, Rebelnerd.
If yoou won't defent the speech of another, then you don't deserve it yourself.
I didn't mean I hate mallgoths, I really meant that I hated the way they present themselves.
In most cases, ignorance leads to hate for an individual...I would rather educate the ones that hate than hate them back.

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Good points, burn.

Even if someone has legitimate criticism about some people, bashing whole groups should be avoided. Any group has a range of people who make it up.

Free speech is good, but it is also good for people to use it wisely (and be reminded when they aren't.)
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its good to use it wisely, but that doesn't mean you have to or should be coerced into doing so. because once someone gains the ability to decide what's "wise use" and what's not, its only a matter of time before criticizing the Great Dictator is labeled "unwise." better to just keep it all open and free, and and as long as nobody gets physically hurt than the people who are offended can just deal with it.

I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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I have called people emo for a joke, e.g. to 0bliiVioN I said "eat a donut emo kid" because she was complaining about donuts. I haven't said anything bad about emos.

Oh, and cradle, emo means emotional hardcore.
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First of all someone replied saying that no one on this site insulted emo's. This is a quote from 'Doc Johnson' (a person on this site) in the topic 'I dont know what to do'. This is the quote, 'Second, quit cutting yourself. Self-mutilation is no helpful for making the case that you're a mature and responsible person. It also is way too emo. You don't wanna be a little wanker now, do you?' It clearly relates an emo to a 'little wanker'. Secondly this is only aimed at those who are offensive. And the punk and goththing is just saying if you are mean to them as well as emos, then its equally as bad. This is only directed at the few cases i've seen on this site.
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Yeah, well Doc is old and cranky. He probably shakes his fist at children.
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I don't hate emos or goths... Hell I hang out with em'
And that quote was probably a joke by Doc

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Freedom of speech is a bitch ain't it?
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Laugh I like that.

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I really havent meet any real goths, but my guess is theyr smarter than the average people. What i hate is emos and goths who do it cos of "trends" and that sort of thing, and arent real goths/emos. I still cant see why emos slit their wrists tho. Ill always think its stupid to hurt yourself. Just get over the problem and stop slitting-.-
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Quote:but my guess is theyr smarter than the average people.

I disagree, not with goths but with any subculture or group.
Out of every group, there are A LOT of idiots.

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This I can relate to.
When Doc said whatever he said that I can't be bothered repeating,wait,no,when he said 'you don't wanna be a little wanker now,do you?',that was directed at me and it made me laugh.
And when Kirby said 'go eat a donut emo kid' that made me angry,but it was just a joke.
My point here is,as long as the person in question does not take these comments in and lets them destroy themselves,it doesn't matter.
I personally don't take shit from anyone,but a jokes a joke,you can kick some serious ass when it's meant seriously.

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cradle Wrote:
Quote:but my guess is theyr smarter than the average people.

I disagree, not with goths but with any subculture or group.
Out of every group, there are A LOT of idiots.

This I agree with.

"Want evidence of how deeply we've allowed the media to define our beauty? Look in the mirror. How many of you honestly believe in your own essential beauty? Isn't it wrong that we have let the bastards define human beauty for us, instead of encouraging us to look within each other for it?"
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Oh and if you want to talk about not hating someone, go to a white pride forum with the name malcom X.

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And now I must away.*if we had one,I would insert an emoticon with a cape,flying off into the distance*

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I went to a white nationalism forum and made a topic about the fact they shouldn't be using any rock music to promote their racism because rock was created by blacks in America. I understand that it was a white nationalism forum not white supremacism but looking through the forum it was quite obvious that a large percentage of the members hate all non-whites.
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Like skinheads? (They first skinheads were dudes from the carribean that like calypso and shit) and now its referred to white supremisists D:
I don't like racism Noo

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The skinhead subculture started in England.
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I hate rascism,well,I don't hate it,I just hate that people aren't considered equal,it makes me mad and cranky.
I hate nazis and Hitler.Nazis meaning the ones that weren't forced into hating the Jewish,and continue to stand by the elimination of all Jewish people today

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(I'm not a nazi.)
Nazi's aren't only about the jewish people... technically they are about one perfect race and them being the most powerful... The Jewish thing was Hitler's doing

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My sister's frend is a polish jew and she married an ex neo nazi....He's quite nice to her actually.
He once cleaned the house spotless for her while she was away.

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Demonic Pyro Wrote:(I'm not a nazi.)
Nazi's aren't only about the jewish people... technically they are about one perfect race and them being the most powerful... The Jewish thing was Hitler's doing

I know you're not a nazi.I'd have killed you by now if you were

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National Socialism is collectivist and ultra-nationalistic, making it fascist. The idea behind Nazism is that there is a definite hierarchy of races and the Aryan race is the one at the top and therefore can do whatever it wants to the lower races. The Aryan race, they say, is Germanic and in the past the race had ruled and invaded much the continent of Eurasia all the way to India.
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Some dumbass just called me and I'm like 'hello' and they go 'hello,who's this?' so I'm like 'it's Eden.' and the fuck hung up.This maked me mad Grindteeth
But anyway,I think it's unfair to say one race is superior to another.
My cock is much bigger than yours
My cock can walk right through the door
With a feeling so pure
It's got you screaming back for
Cool,in denial
We're the cool regulators smoking cigaro,cigaro,cigar

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So... you're a transsexual?

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I don't care about what kind of person you are. I only care about the inside, like personality. If you were gay, I wouldn't care. If you were black, white, chinese, etc, I wouldn't care. I only care about personality. That determines whether you're a jerk or not.

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Laugh nice BigWolf
I agree with Soul2.

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