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Ugh sounds like some posters of the forums I've been debating on. I never understood why teachers make it a big deal to go to the bathroom during their precious lessons. I've heard a few reasons, but none of them hold up.

"They can go during break": Tell that to my bodily functions.
"But they'll use it as an excuse to skip class!": First of all, not everyone will skip class. Second of all, how does it even matter if they skip class? If they hate class enough to skip it, how is keeping them their really gonna help them?
"But it disrupts class!" Are those 2 second distractions where the kid gets up to leave class really worth not letting them go?

It's funny because teachers talk about how disrespectful some students are, but they surely don't respect the students enough to let them leave class when they need to.
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Damn straight. So true.

I'll take a shit on the floor if I have to.
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Hope these guys get used to cleaning up piss on the floor, because that's what they're asking for.

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I remember someone posting about a guy who actually did piss on the floor in an act of protest.

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Quote:"But it disrupts class!" Are those 2 second distractions where the kid gets up to leave class really worth not letting them go?
Just letting them go is less disruptive than having them ask you and then telling them "NO U CANT GO IT R DISRUPTIV"...

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Quote:"But it disrupts class!" Are those 2 second distractions where the kid gets up to leave class really worth not letting them go?
Just letting them go is less disruptive than having them ask you and then telling them "NO U CANT GO IT R DISRUPTIV"...

You'd think they'd figure out that cleaning up after someone would be so much more disruptive, but no. In the teachers mind, students CAN control their bodily functions so that's a non issue for them. This is exactly why I hate other people thinking they know me or what's best for me more than I do.
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I just go anyway. Which results in suspension.
My friend swears that she peed on the teacher's desk when she was told she could not leave the room.

Oh, and I actually saw with my own eyes the girl sitting next to me in class once pee all over her seat because she couldn't hold it anymore.

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It's really dumb how they say you should go during the break. We aren't born with the knowledge of when we will need to go to the bathroom. That's why little kids have to wear diapers. They can't hold in their pee and poop and they don't even know when it's going to come. You learn as you get older what you feel like before you need to go and you also learn how to hold it, and people all learn this at different rates. If you're teaching 5 or 6 year olds, it's kind of amazing that they can even tell they need to go a few minutes before. My mom couldn't tell when she was 6 and she would always end up peeing in her pants and then the teacher would mock her, calling her a baby.

You never really know what level the individual in question has developed to. They usually call it some kind of disorder if the person still hasn't learned to control it when they are a teenager, but it's not really, not if they can one day still achieve typical control. Basically, to respect each person and not risk gross or dangerous situations, you have to let anyone go to the bathroom when they say they need to.

But even if you know the person can hold it, it's still none of your fucking business. You don't own the person. You can't own a person. They own themselves, and they are not obligated to follow your rules, acquiesce to your desires, listen to your speeches, do your stupid worksheets, or anything else. Anyway if someone doesn't need to pee but they want to leave anyway, it's to satisfy some NEED that they have. So you are denying them the chance to fulfill their own needs. You monster.

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Prince Rilian Wrote:It's really dumb how they say you should go during the break. We aren't born with the knowledge of when we will need to go to the bathroom. That's why little kids have to wear diapers. They can't hold in their pee and poop and they don't even know when it's going to come. You learn as you get older what you feel like before you need to go and you also learn how to hold it, and people all learn this at different rates. If you're teaching 5 or 6 year olds, it's kind of amazing that they can even tell they need to go a few minutes before. My mom couldn't tell when she was 6 and she would always end up peeing in her pants and then the teacher would mock her, calling her a baby.

You never really know what level the individual in question has developed to. They usually call it some kind of disorder if the person still hasn't learned to control it when they are a teenager, but it's not really, not if they can one day still achieve typical control. Basically, to respect each person and not risk gross or dangerous situations, you have to let anyone go to the bathroom when they say they need to.

But even if you know the person can hold it, it's still none of your fucking business. You don't own the person. You can't own a person. They own themselves, and they are not obligated to follow your rules, acquiesce to your desires, listen to your speeches, do your stupid worksheets, or anything else. Anyway if someone doesn't need to pee but they want to leave anyway, it's to satisfy some NEED that they have. So you are denying them the chance to fulfill their own needs. You monster.
Good god so much truth.

The bodily functions of an individual isn't the business of anyone except the person themselves. Teachers have this controlling nature that thinks that anything someone does they need to be apart of. OK then, why don't you wipe my ass when I'm done?

I actually have this thing where I can't take a shit anywhere but my own home. I just can't stand public toilets or going at a friends house, I feel so... open. Like someone is listening in. Pissing is another story, I can do it anywhere anytime. Teachers may make weaker students do what they want, but my bladder doesn't fucking care about maths.
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Linki Wrote:my bladder doesn't fucking care about maths.
Thats why I taught my ass how to do algebra, of course it leaves the occasional brown stain on the paper, but holding a pencil like that is hard.
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I'd never thought I'd see the day when a natural bodily function was seen as unworthy, but there it is
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Quote:Our (secondary) school have "toilet permission slips" that record the times and dates pupils get out to the toilet which allow us to spot patterns.
My top tip? I've printed these out on yellow and brown slips and if a pupil asks to get to the toilet I ask "Is it a number one or a number two? I need to fill in the correct slip". Most then say "It doesn't matter, Sir. I'll wait.".
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Linki Wrote:I actually have this thing where I can't take a shit anywhere but my own home. I just can't stand public toilets or going at a friends house, I feel so... open.

Haha this. I've never taken a shit out of my own home, unless I'm away on holiday or something. I hardly ever go to the toilet at school either.

My school is generally alright with it, you just ask, get given a slip and go.

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Linki Wrote:I actually have this thing where I can't take a shit anywhere but my own home. I just can't stand public toilets or going at a friends house, I feel so... open.

Haha this. I've never taken a shit out of my own home, unless I'm away on holiday or something. I hardly ever go to the toilet at school either.

I'm like that too. I can only go and use a public toilet if I'm the only one in there.
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If I need to piss, I need to piss. My bladder doesn't run on bell times.
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Firstly, just to say I love Elfy and BaronVonStrangle's GIFs in their signatures!

Okay; so the slapheadded motherfuckers who wrote the laws in the UK state, only workers get toilet rights:

Quote:"Employees have the right, in law, to a clean, private toilet with hot and cold running water, and soap."

However, article 5 of the Human Rights Declaration:
Quote:"No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."
So refusal to go to the toilet, and being forced to shit on the teachers bald shiny head floor; can be seen as degrading; due to concequncial embarrassment from brainwashed right-wing hooligans your peers.

The UN Convention for Human Rights for a Child states:
Quote:"Children have the right to good quality health care and clean water, nutritious food and a clean environment so that they stay healthy."

So by being in the same room as someone shitting on your best friends science experiment the floor.

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Half the schools had toilet door/partitions that were too low and over two-thirds of schools had too large a gap at floor level. 89% did not have partitioned urinals.
1 in 4 schools did not have sufficient locks on doors
One in 3 secondary schools had no or insufficient toilet paper
23% did not have hot or warm water and 14% did not have cold water
One in 3 secondary schools had no or insufficient toilet paper
23% did not have hot or warm water and 14% did not have cold water
31% of secondary school toilets had no soap (with a further 27% not having enough)
14% of secondary schools did not have any toilet seats at all and a further 21% had missing seats
Almost 6 in 10 schools did not have any disabled toilets
Toilets in 5% of primary schools and 55% of secondary schools showed signs of vandalism
40% of secondary schools showed evidence of smoking in the toilets
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Anyone have there new pics .. Biggrin
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jamiej Wrote:Anyone have there new pics .. Biggrin

WTF?

Quote:If i'm doing direct whole class teaching - no one goes (Unless it's really obvious they're going to wet themselves - you can normally tell.)

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AngryCollegeDude Wrote:If they hate class enough to skip it, how is keeping them their really gonna help them?
This alone should convince people that school should not be mandatory. Why the hell doesn't it?

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Heh, makes me wonder how much you have to forget about being young to be this much of an asshole.

Admittedly, I probably had a particularly nervous personality when I was elementary school aged, but I'd have to be pretty desperate to ask once when I knew the teacher would probably yell or bitch about why I hadn't gone earlier, so it's pretty ridiculous for the teacher to expect that people are going to ask twice or be pretty obvious about it if they really need to go.

And now I'm all grown up and everyone wonders why I'm so nervous about asking for things that are perfectly reasonable. :D

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I agree with you all, my bodily functions don't give a shit about maths (and neither do I).

A week ago, I asked the teacher to go to the toilet during maths. He said no, and asked me why I didn't go during lunch. I told him I didn't need to go then, but I do now, so would he let me go please?
...no. He just told me off for being a 'smart ass'.

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AngryCollegeDude Wrote:
SoulRiser Wrote:
Quote:"But it disrupts class!" Are those 2 second distractions where the kid gets up to leave class really worth not letting them go?
Just letting them go is less disruptive than having them ask you and then telling them "NO U CANT GO IT R DISRUPTIV"...

You'd think they'd figure out that cleaning up after someone would be so much more disruptive, but no. In the teachers mind, students CAN control their bodily functions so that's a non issue for them. This is exactly why I hate other people thinking they know me or what's best for me more than I do.

Teachers should probbably expect pee on the floor, cocca on the desks, the floor, or wherever the students decide to put it. And the teachers should expect to be peed on, because they may even tell you that there are no restrooms at all.
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Students have the right to go to the restroom and go pee or cocca whenever they need to. Students also have the ability to drink water, go sharpen their pencil, and be in a safe classroom. Students may not abuse these rights, and teachers may not abuse, torture, humuliate, degrade or assult students.
Students have the right to the freedom of speech excluding cuss-words. Students also have the right to run away from the staff if the student feels like the staff are abusive, tortures him/her, humiliates him/her, degrade him/her, or put him/her in an unsafe envirnment in which the teacher is physically aggressive.

But as you know, a teacher would say that it is a bunch of baloni, a pile of crap, an abusive statement of teacher's rights or something of that nature. Tripleevil
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Quote:"But it disrupts class!" Are those 2 second distractions where the kid gets up to leave class really worth not letting them go?
Just letting them go is less disruptive than having them ask you and then telling them "NO U CANT GO IT R DISRUPTIV"...

It's probably more disruptive when it's on the floor

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thatdope1 Wrote:Some kid shit all over the floor at my school during state testing.

Oof. Poor guy...

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