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Quote:Violent protests have rocked Egypt this week, with demonstrators demanding the ouster of the country's longtime autocratic president, Hosni Mubarak. The tension increased today when Mohammed ElBaradei, a former top official at the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog agency and a high-profile Mubarak opponent, who had returned to Cairo in a bid to provide a leader for the mass movement, was placed under house arrest.

The unrest in the Arab world's most populous country -- a longtime U.S. ally -- comes on the heels of similar protests earlier this month in Tunisia, which forced that country's president to flee into exile. Today marks a pivotal moment in the anti-Mubarak demonstrations, with the government shutting down Internet access in the country and cracking down on social-media access among demonstrators communicating with the outside world. Mubarak has also imposed a curfew from 6 PM until 7 AM in Cairo in two other cities, which an AP report calls "the most dramatic measure so far to quell riots and protests." (The government has since made the curfews nationwide, although protesters are continuing to disregard them.) You can watch al-Jazeera's live feed on the protests here.

Michele Dunne is a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for Peace. She has served as a specialist on Middle East affairs with the White House and the State Department, and has written widely on Arab politics, and political and economic reform. The Lookout asked her to explain what's going on in Egypt, and what it means for America.

LOOKOUT:Â What are the protesters angry about, and what do they want done?

M.D.: Protesters have a large number of economic, political, and human-rights grievances. Widespread youth unemployment, rigged parliamentary elections in November 2010, and the prospect of President Mubarak (in power since 1981) beginning another term--or being replaced by his son--are the sparks that set these demonstrations off. The demonstrators are asking for Mubarak to step down and make way for an interim government to prepare for free elections.

LOOKOUT: Is there a real chance that Mubarak's government might fall?

M.D.: Yes, there is a real possibility, but that does not seem to be imminent yet. As in Tunisia, the regime would begin to be uncertain if internal security services could not handle demonstrations and the army were called in. Armies generally don't like firing on their own civilians and sometimes will choose keeping the loyalty of the population over defending an unpopular ruler.

LOOKOUT: If so, what might replace Mubarak's regime? What role might ElBaradei play?

M.D.: There is a shadow government and parliament, formed in December, that has positioned itself as the opposition party with which the government can negotiate if things reach that point. But things are very fluid right now. ElBaradei could possibly play a leadership role within the opposition, although up until now he has been more effective at articulating popular grievances than at organizing or leading opposition groups.

LOOKOUT: How might a shift in power affect U.S. interests?

M.D.: U.S. interests are being challenged here. The United States has been tepid in supporting human rights and democracy in Egypt for years and has to deal with the resentment among Egyptians because of that. Partly for that reason, and partly because of the close association of the United States with Israel, any alternate group that comes to power might distance itself from the United States to some extent.

LOOKOUT: What role, if any, is the Muslim Brotherhood or other Islamic groups playing?

M.D.: The Muslim Brotherhood, while still the single largest opposition group in Egypt, is not at the forefront of these protests. Rather, they are trying to get on the bandwagon at this point.

LOOKOUT: What are the similarities and differences between the situations in Egypt and Tunisia?

M.D.: Similarities include the fact that young people are leading the protests and that many of the grievances are common between the two countries: youth unemployment, corrupt government, human-rights abuses, and a leader in power for an entire generation who showed no sign of being ready to leave.

Differences include the fact that the Egyptian government has had far more experience with handling demonstrations; the Tunisian government seemed surprised and folded pretty quickly.

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I hate all these American and European politicians who say we shouldn't support the revolt because "the Muslim Brotherhood will just come in and take over!" Maybe they will. But are the people supposed to just sit there and accept a dictatorship simply because someone worse might step in? These protesters aren't rabid Jihadists. They're just ordinary people who have had enough shit from their government.

I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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Rebelnerd Wrote:I hate all these American and European politicians who say we shouldn't support the revolt because "the Muslim Brotherhood will just come in and take over!" Maybe they will. But are the people supposed to just sit there and accept a dictatorship simply because someone worse might step in? These protesters aren't rabid Jihadists. They're just ordinary people who have had enough shit from their government.

All America gives a rats ass about is its business positions and the like and less about people.
These people aren't shouting religious garbage and they are just tired of the corruption and want jobs, freedom and a decent living.

Gotta admit they have balls.

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Looters just busted into the Ancient Egypt museum :/
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Rebelnerd Wrote:I hate all these American and European politicians who say we shouldn't support the revolt because "the Muslim Brotherhood will just come in and take over!" Maybe they will. But are the people supposed to just sit there and accept a dictatorship simply because someone worse might step in? These protesters aren't rabid Jihadists. They're just ordinary people who have had enough shit from their government.
Sounds kind of familiar.... Hmmmm...

"Oh don't worry Chap. Ol' Hitler will eventually get bored so we'll just ignore the fact that he is building an army and invading other countries."
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Um, I'm not sure what your point is. Are you saying that this revolution is analogous to the election of Hitler? Because it's really nothing like that. This is a democratic people's movement against a dictator and the Jihadists really haven't even given it their seal of approval yet.

I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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No just the idea of appeasement by the British and french. When Hitler was taking back the land that got taken from germany in WWI they just decided to ignore it because after he gets his land back he will stop. Basically being pricks and not wanting to do anything until he became a real threat.
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Well, good. I wish I was there... Kind of.

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We're having a big ISO meeting tonight to try and organize a support rally for Egypt. Only the guys from the Israeli club kept coming in at night and tearing our posters down so we had to red-leaflet the entire campus center. Dicks.

I think Buenaventura Durruti is a pretty cool guy. eh kills fascists and doesnt afraid of ruins.
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What a bunch of fags.

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The pro-mubarak group was starting riots today
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I wonder where they got all those Molotov Cocktails...

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Ricky Roro Wrote:I wonder where they got all those Molotov Cocktails...

They made them? All you need is a towel and a bottle of gas.

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Ricky Roro Wrote:I wonder where they got all those Molotov Cocktails...

They made them? All you need is a towel and a bottle of gas.

Seriously.

Even I had a couple of them in high school.

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I've made them before
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Oh god the sound it makes as it drives through that mass of people
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Went to a protest downtown today against US aid to Mubarak. About 60 people showed it, some of them from Egypt, and we got a shitload of honks/curious looks from random people. Although I can officially never run for President now since FOX news has a video clip of me in a crowd yelling an anti-government slogan in Arabic.
Still, very fun and it had the desired effect.

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Rebelnerd Wrote:Went to a protest downtown today against US aid to Mubarak. About 60 people showed it, some of them from Egypt, and we got a shitload of honks/curious looks from random people. Although I can officially never run for President now since FOX news has a video clip of me in a crowd yelling an anti-government slogan in Arabic.
Still, very fun and it had the desired effect.

Lol.

Man you're not president material.
You have this thing about actually trying to do good for others and not benefiting just you.

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did you guys know that the US Gov gives over $1.5 billion in annual aid to Mubarak, Egypt's brutal dictator?
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Rebelnerd Wrote:Although I can officially never run for President now since FOX news has a video clip of me in a crowd yelling an anti-government slogan in Arabic.
Pics or it didn't happen.

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~Mystery~ Wrote:did you guys know that the US Gov gives over $1.5 billion in annual aid to Mubarak, Egypt's brutal dictator?
http://www.mediaroots.org/the-egyptian- ... verage.php

Me, like two posts before you Wrote:Went to a protest downtown today against US aid to Mubarak. About 60 people showed

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That's pretty bad ass. Can't wait till I'm eighteen.

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Hey guys did you hear about how mystery was late
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You people always make me laugh when I get cynical about the conservative fucks around me. Biggrin

Anyway, the US is the one that put Mubarak in power, and Obama is caught between 2 difficult decisions. Those elections were rigged, so the Egyptians are rightfully pissed.
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Mubarak is a noob. All real Great Leaders forcefeed their populace proproganda 24/7 and ban interaction with other countries so that populace is clueless. Average North Korean think that he live in Paradise because all of world is so shitty! True fact.

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Kim Jong Il Wrote:Mubarak is a noob. All real Great Leaders forcefeed their populace proproganda 24/7 and ban interaction with other countries so that populace is clueless. Average North Korean think that he live in Paradise because all of world is so shitty! True fact.

Sounds like American Nationalists...







Btw, Mubarak snuck out at midnight. Left the government to the army. He just said he wasn't gonna step down to buy him time probably.

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I'm actually pretty pumped about this whole thing. At this point it's safe to say the protesters aren't going to just give up, and seeing how Mubarak or whatever the hell his name is left, things seem to be moving along nicely. Viva la revolution.

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