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Why Group Work is Evil
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Why Group Work is Evil

Group work--any school assignment for which a group of people are forced to work together and receive a group grade--has to be one of the most evil creations of the school system. Group work mixes school performance with social acceptance; it motivates people to work harder by creating a fear of being rejected by their classmates.

For the sake of this explanation, I'll divide students into two categories. (I used to be in the first one, but now I'm in the second.)
  1. Those who care about their schooling and manage to get good grades
  2. Those who care about their schooling but do not manage to get good grades and those who do not care about their schooling
All group work encourages the group to divide up its tasks. This can be done directly through a grade on teamwork or indirectly through a large assignment that is difficult for one person to finish on his own. (This doesn't really apply for simple group assignments that one person can complete without help, but those aren't really group assignments then.) Normally, the groups contain students from each of the two categories because the teacher assigned them that way on purpose.

If students from category 1 are grouped with those in category 2, the students from category 1 have to push the other people to do their share of the work. Those in category 1 to avoid taking a complete leadership role, however, because they don't want to seem overbearing and don't want to be held responsible if the group does not get a good grade.

The students in category 2 in the group will be content with a lower grade than will the students in category 1, but the students in category 2 feel obligated to do good work because the grades of their peers, who care about grades, depend on their work. These students can't do work of that quality, however, which can lead to hostility between students of the different categories.

Group work is like cutting teachers' salaries when their unmodivated students don't pass standardized tests.
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You're absolutely right.
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And don't even get me started on group punishments. That's even worse.
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Definitely evil. I usually ended up doing most of the work on group projects... either because the others conveniently disappeared when we were supposed to work on it, or they just figured I'd do a better job anyway. Grrrr...

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Cosbydaf Wrote:And don't even get me started on group punishments. That's even worse.
A friend of mine was in a group that got a score of 35 (U) on a chapter (novel) summary, and his group had to do summaries and character analysises for chapters 1-6 from the novel. And when I was in a group, I did all the work. My so called "partners" sat there and talked and had fun as I typed away doing the presentation, the summary, and the character analysis. They read their share (but they read like shit since their ghetto and dumb as always), and we winded up getting a score of 75 (B), and another "partner" was absent, so that's part of what made it a 75.

In conclusion, I hate group projects whenever I work with irresponsible, stupid, and damn near illiterate ghetto kids. That's why I work alone, and that's why I feel I should only be partnered up with the smarter students in the class come the time I should be forced to work with others in group projects.

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i sometimes like group stuff and sometimes i don't. the times i do, i get away with doing nothing, but the times i don't are when i get put into a group who are total perfectionists and expect nothing short of their expectations. during the latter, i usually have do work, which i never like Smile
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group work can piss you off heaps i hate it when your in the group with the snob nosed rich girl that always gets her way it really pisses me like shell say lets do a report on barbie dolls ( she hasnt matured yet ) and the teacher goes what a great idea and the other people go nooooooooooo we are not doing this and she says cmon as if you wouldnt like barbie dolls then we all say " fuck you " and she goes home and plays with her barbie dolls

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I hate the snobby girls who act ghetto or think the universe is all about them. To my luck most girls I met in my school are like that But on a side note its funny to mess with their heads to the point of them crying or trying to get the teacher on me. they call it mental harassment. Evil

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Dark Soul X Wrote:
Cosbydaf Wrote:And don't even get me started on group punishments. That's even worse.
A friend of mine was in a group that got a score of 35 (U) on a chapter (novel) summary, and his group had to do summaries and character analysises for chapters 1-6 from the novel. And when I was in a group, I did all the work. My so called "partners" sat there and talked and had fun as I typed away doing the presentation, the summary, and the character analysis. They read their share (but they read like shit since their ghetto and dumb as always), and we winded up getting a score of 75 (B), and another "partner" was absent, so that's part of what made it a 75.

In conclusion, I hate group projects whenever I work with irresponsible, stupid, and damn near illiterate ghetto kids. That's why I work alone, and that's why I feel I should only be partnered up with the smarter students in the class come the time I should be forced to work with others in group projects.
Look at it from the other side: The ghetto kids must hate it too because they know that they can't avoid lowering your grade.
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wsgosset Wrote:
Dark Soul X Wrote:
Cosbydaf Wrote:And don't even get me started on group punishments. That's even worse.
A friend of mine was in a group that got a score of 35 (U) on a chapter (novel) summary, and his group had to do summaries and character analysises for chapters 1-6 from the novel. And when I was in a group, I did all the work. My so called "partners" sat there and talked and had fun as I typed away doing the presentation, the summary, and the character analysis. They read their share (but they read like shit since their ghetto and dumb as always), and we winded up getting a score of 75 (B), and another "partner" was absent, so that's part of what made it a 75.

In conclusion, I hate group projects whenever I work with irresponsible, stupid, and damn near illiterate ghetto kids. That's why I work alone, and that's why I feel I should only be partnered up with the smarter students in the class come the time I should be forced to work with others in group projects.
Look at it from the other side: The ghetto kids must hate it too because they know that they can't avoid lowering your grade.

No, most dumb kids I know don't really give a schitt either way.
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Cosbydaf Wrote:
wsgosset Wrote:
Dark Soul X Wrote:
Cosbydaf Wrote:And don't even get me started on group punishments. That's even worse.
A friend of mine was in a group that got a score of 35 (U) on a chapter (novel) summary, and his group had to do summaries and character analysises for chapters 1-6 from the novel. And when I was in a group, I did all the work. My so called "partners" sat there and talked and had fun as I typed away doing the presentation, the summary, and the character analysis. They read their share (but they read like shit since their ghetto and dumb as always), and we winded up getting a score of 75 (B), and another "partner" was absent, so that's part of what made it a 75.

In conclusion, I hate group projects whenever I work with irresponsible, stupid, and damn near illiterate ghetto kids. That's why I work alone, and that's why I feel I should only be partnered up with the smarter students in the class come the time I should be forced to work with others in group projects.
Look at it from the other side: The ghetto kids must hate it too because they know that they can't avoid lowering your grade.

No, most dumb kids I know don't really give a schitt either way.

Same here. They didn't give a shit, but I wanted to pass, so I wound up doing the work.

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