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My thoughts on abortion:

If it's an innocent child, give birth to it and raise it with love.

If it's Stratovarius, kill it on sight.
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Thank you, at least I got 1 supporter.
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"We are republicans and one way we don't like to kill "things" is that way"
Just funny quote. And to everybody, all close minded people who wanna ban it or whatever...
It is woman choice, you think it is bad? Educate them than, tell tham there is another way.
If they had support maybe it would be different. Education is the key. But assholes who can't think of better solution than to say it should simply be banned and after that kid is women problem... just keep yours mouth shut (you proly won't just had to express my opinion...). Anyways it is, in practise, only HER choice. You think tou know what is good, you are wise enough to decide for others what they can and cannot do? Well, think again.

Quote:A precious seed to nourish, and maybe it will turn into a beutiful flower.
You have 6 bilion bloody flowers around you, maybe we should take care of them first instead of creating a new ones?

People are being mourdered in China - not our problem. Iraq is being occupied by U.S and Iraqis are being killed - who cares. Children in Afica dies from famine - we can do nothing.
Nuclear programs are in progres - phew. More and more examles - stop, we don't wanna hear any more of this.
A woman wanna have an abortion - that's horrible! and it is our job to prevent it!
Because every human being has right to live!

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Gobinu Wrote:People are mourdered in China - not our problem. Iraq is being occupied by U.S and Iraqis are being killed - who cares. Children in Afica dies from famine - we can do nothing.
Nuclear programs are in progres - phew. More and more examles - stop, we don't wanna hear any more of this.
A woman wanna have an abortion - that's horrible! and it is our job to prevent it!
Because every human being has right to live!
lololol. Shhh, we don't want to point out their double standards, they'll get angry! OH SHI-.

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Gobinu Wrote:"We are republicans and one way we don't like to kill "things" is that way"
Just funny quote. And to everybody, all close minded people who wanna ban it or whatever...
It is woman choice, you think it is bad? Educate them than, tell tham there is another way.
If hey had support maybe it would be different. Education is the key. But assholes who can't think of better solution than to say it should simply be banned and after that kid is women problem... just keep yours mouth shut (you proly won't just had to express my opinion...). Anyways it is, in practise, only HER choice. You think tou know what is good, you are wise enough to decide for others what they can and cannot do? Well, think again.

People are being mourdered in China - not our problem. Iraq is being occupied by U.S and Iraqis are being killed - who cares. Children in Afica dies from famine - we can do nothing.
Nuclear programs are in progres - phew. More and more examles - stop, we don't wanna hear any more of this.
A woman wanna have an abortion - that's horrible! and it is our job to prevent it!
Because every human being has right to live!

QFT.

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Gobinu Wrote:"We are republicans and one way we don't like to kill "things" is that way"
Just funny quote. And to everybody, all close minded people who wanna ban it or whatever...
It is woman choice, you think it is bad? Educate them than, tell tham there is another way.
If they had support maybe it would be different. Education is the key. But assholes who can't think of better solution than to say it should simply be banned and after that kid is women problem... just keep yours mouth shut (you proly won't just had to express my opinion...). Anyways it is, in practise, only HER choice. You think tou know what is good, you are wise enough to decide for others what they can and cannot do? Well, think again.

Quote:A precious seed to nourish, and maybe it will turn into a beutiful flower.
You have 6 bilion bloody flowers around you, maybe we should take care of them first instead of creating a new ones?

People are being mourdered in China - not our problem. Iraq is being occupied by U.S and Iraqis are being killed - who cares. Children in Afica dies from famine - we can do nothing.
Nuclear programs are in progres - phew. More and more examles - stop, we don't wanna hear any more of this.
A woman wanna have an abortion - that's horrible! and it is our job to prevent it!
Because every human being has right to live!

It only the womans decision? Really, what about the man in the picture, what if he actually wanted a kid?

You also bring up the worlds problems like pro-lifers dont care about them and dont want to put a end to them. Noo
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Because, even though the man help conceive it, it's INSIDE the woman. It lives in her, and gets its nourishment from her, so, since it's within the woman, she has power over it.

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Read it again bastard, I wrote it is in practise her choice = if she wanna do it, she will. And your job is to show her another way in the first place not to simply forbid her, and than leave her with a baby she doesn't wanna. Ahh, and man tachnical has a right to decide as well since, he has to give money for a kid after he blows it. If there is responsibility, there is also some privilege. But in IRL only women can decide.

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Tls321 Wrote:no your wrong, the man who was killed in his sleep had a chance at life. The human life you call a parasite didn't even have a chance.
No, you fucking dumbass. I'm pretty sure that guy already told you.
HE IS ALREADY FUCKING ALIVE. HE IS AN INDEPENDENT HUMAN BEING THAT IS FULLY DEVELOPED.
What if you were forced to carry a fetus you didn't want in your (hypothetical) uterus? What if you would die if you gave birth to it (keep in mind the infant would die as well)? Or what if you got raped and had no choice but to produce some bastard who will be tormented by his peers and may ultimately resort to suicide? What would you do if it were to come out having some horrible mental disorder, or were to be physically deformed to the point it'll die within an hour anyways?

Also, there's a big difference between "your" and "you're". Learn it.
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Tls321 Wrote:no your wrong, the man who was killed in his sleep had a chance at life. The human life you call a parasite didn't even have a chance.
No, you fucking dumbass. I'm pretty sure that guy already told you.
HE IS ALREADY FUCKING ALIVE. HE IS AN INDEPENDENT HUMAN BEING THAT IS FULLY DEVELOPED.
What if you were forced to carry a fetus you didn't want in your (hypothetical) uterus? What if you would die if you gave birth to it (keep in mind the infant would die as well)? Or what if you got raped and had no choice but to produce some bastard who will be tormented by his peers and may ultimately resort to suicide? What would you do if it were to come out having some horrible mental disorder, or were to be physically deformed to the point it'll die within an hour anyways?

Also, there's a big difference between "your" and "you're". Learn it.

Heres a science lesson for ya, bitch. Cells are living material, a fetus is made of cells, so while the debate is on about a fetus is alive or not (which it is) it cells are alive so your "living" argument is weak. Now for your questions,

1. I would personally at least try to take resonpsibilty with my hypothetical uterus, so that the only when I do get knocked up, the guy and me are ready. Sex is a wondeful part of life, but it comes with responsibilitys.

2. I think it is acceptable for an abortion if both would die in the process.

3. Who the hell has to know that its a bastard child? Especially the childs peers?

Sorry I had a typo in my text. Is that really how your going to criticise me?

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Tls321 Wrote:Heres a science lesson for ya, bitch. Cells are living material, a fetus is made of cells, so while the debate is on about a fetus is alive or not (which it is) it cells are alive so your "living" argument is weak.
Cells are no more alive then a computer is. They are mechanical things that have no thought process, or any such thing. They are stupider then most AI. So, are you going to suggest that we now cannot destroy computers and AI? Because really, they're more alive then any individual cell.

P.S. Trees are also living cells. So, if you want your "the cells are alive, abortion is wrong" point, to have any weight, there are bull dozers you need to lie down in front of. Those forests need saving mate, since, according to you, killing living cells is horrible. :/

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liq3 Wrote:
Tls321 Wrote:Heres a science lesson for ya, bitch. Cells are living material, a fetus is made of cells, so while the debate is on about a fetus is alive or not (which it is) it cells are alive so your "living" argument is weak.
Cells are no more alive then a computer is. They are mechanical things that have no thought process, or any such thing. They are stupider then most AI. So, are you going to suggest that we now cannot destroy computers and AI? Because really, they're more alive then any individual cell.

P.S. Trees are also living cells. So, if you want your "the cells are alive, abortion is wrong" point, to have any weight, there are bull dozers you need to lie down in front of. Those forests need saving mate, since, according to you, killing living cells is horrible. :/

I never said killing living cells was horrable, just proving his argument was falible. Do me a favor, look it up how cells are living things. They are the building blocks of organisms. 2cents
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Quote:Come back with a real thinkable argument next time you try steppin to me. Nono Fu
Don't make me lough, you are answering only what is suitable for you. I love when somebody is only waiting for one litlle argument he can argue with and leaving the rest cause it would be harder.

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Quote:Come back with a real thinkable argument next time you try steppin to me. Nono Fu
Don't make me lough, you are answering only what is suitable for you. I love when somebody is only waiting for one litlle argument he can argue with and leaving the rest cause it would be harder.

What question did I not answer ?
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You totaly missed the point about education, and about you caring more about unborn than living ones.

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liq3 Wrote:P.S. Trees are also living cells. So, if you want your "the cells are alive, abortion is wrong" point, to have any weight, there are bull dozers you need to lie down in front of. Those forests need saving mate, since, according to you, killing living cells is horrible. :/

No, he thinks human living cells are somehow "above" tree and plant living cells.

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There are only two kinds of cells: prokaryotic cells, and eukaryotic cells. Animals and plants are eukaryotes. Therefore, animals and plants are the same cell-wise. In that sense, it is not correct to say an animal is better than a plant because of its cells, or vice-versa.
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BobManPerson Wrote:There are only two kinds of cells: prokaryotic cells, and eukaryotic cells. Animals and plants are eukaryotes. Therefore, animals and plants are the same cell-wise. In that sense, it is not correct to say an animal is better than a plant because of its cells, or vice-versa.

He just meant because we're the dominant species, or maybe "spirit - wise" or some other nonsense. If we were somehow about those kingdoms, then we sure fucked things up as the dominant species.

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Gobinu Wrote:You totaly missed the point about education, and about you caring more about unborn than living ones.

Well, I didnt see that in the thread. But I will gladly answer them now. Education is extremly important. Sex is so taboo to talk to teenagers about (if your an adult) it is sad. I remeber a survey of high school girls that got knocked up, said that 40% (i think) said that when they got preganant they didnt have sexual intercourse. Shows you how ignorant teens are today.

As far as caring for unborn and born people, they are both equal to me, as far as a human life.
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Squittle Wrote:
BobManPerson Wrote:There are only two kinds of cells: prokaryotic cells, and eukaryotic cells. Animals and plants are eukaryotes. Therefore, animals and plants are the same cell-wise. In that sense, it is not correct to say an animal is better than a plant because of its cells, or vice-versa.

He just meant because we're the dominant species, or maybe "spirit - wise" or some other nonsense. If we were somehow about those kingdoms, then we sure fucked things up as the dominant species.


Look, Im just pointing out that humans are the bioloical dominat species. My main point is that babies should have a chance at life. It is why I dont belive in abortion, or eating veal or lamb.
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A very large fraction of pregnancies where the sperm does fertilize the egg are terminated spontaneously without the mother's knowledge within a few hours time. A later miscarriage is noticeable but ones like these are not. Therefore, I think it'd be quite ridiculous to assume that over a billion human souls came into existence to be present at a microscopic level for just an hour or so, and then 'die'.

That aside, in a perfect world, abortion would not happen. Just because I don't see early fetuses as human beings doesn't mean I don't recognize the bad impact it has on people. Action should be taken by societies to reduce the amount of abortions as much as possible, but making it illegal would be the worst thing we could ever do for the situation.

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Well, the idealist "Perfect World" comment is just an opinion, really. Some things that cause people to look to abortion we'd be better off without, though.

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Anti-Choice is Anti-Woman
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Tls321 Wrote:As far as caring for unborn and born people, they are both equal to me, as far as a human life.

Question: If a woman has a natural miscarriage, should she have a funeral service for the dead fetus?

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It's a matter of choice. By law, I think fetuses that are five months plus are considered people, and are given a funeral and coffin, etc. Before that, I don't think so.

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Hanhan Wrote:It's a matter of choice. By law, I think fetuses that are five months plus are considered people, and are given a funeral and coffin, etc. Before that, I don't think so.

A funeral and coffin for something that was never even legally alive?

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I'm just asking because these people consider it a human being with full human rights. If they consider it a human they might as well give it a funeral service and buy it a grave.

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i dont think there are many cases where i think an abortion is justified. iif the child would ave poor quality of life, or if the mother or baby were at a large risk are about the only ones i can think of.

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random_name Wrote:i dont think there are many cases where i think an abortion is justified. iif the child would ave poor quality of life, or if the mother or baby were at a large risk are about the only ones i can think of.

Umm, an unwanted pregnancy?

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Squittle Wrote:Rape and incest are two obvious situations where an abortion should be performed, but I also agree that simply when something is in your body, you have the right to remove it. Since that the little ball of tissue and undeveloped organs you call an unborn baby can't be deemed self - aware, like liq3 said, it also can't be dubbed to hold the spiritual notion of "life". A lifeless ball living inside of you and feeding off your nutrition is your property, and you can remove it as you wish.
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