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"Perspective is everything" the Globe and Mail says. It's quite true. An understanding of others' views and thoughts go a long way in explaining why people do certain things.

Take abortion for example. To many pro-choicers, the radical action taken to stop abortions, e.g. bombings, are completely wrong and damaging to women;s rights. But look at it from the point of view of pro-lifers. According to them, thousands and thousands of innocent lives are taken every year; these babies are being murdered! I am pro-choice but I can completely sympathize with them. If I'm wrong and they're right, we have committed horrible, horrible acts. We would be irrevocably stained by this river of innocent blood...

...which is why true understanding and openness to ideas is everything.
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Amen. I'm pro-choice and pro-life. Both of those are good things...

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Pfft... fence sitters make me sick.
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I see no fence sitters.
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Pick a side and fight. Are you for abortion or against?
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My position was stated in the first post. I am pro-choice but I can understand why people would bomb abortion clinics.
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My opinion is pretty much the same as yours. Im pro-choice, but my views on abortion are not totally fixed on that.

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I do not care at all about what people want to do to themselves. Babies are just extensions of ourselves, so we should be able to do whatever we want to them.
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My post wasn't about abortion.
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Kirby Wrote:My post wasn't about abortion.
I was trying to say that I can't sympathize with the people who blow up abortion clinics.
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Actually babies are parasitic organisms.

And most pro-choicers don't like abortion, but they want t ofight for women's rights.

And yeah, thinking in perspectives.

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NANNASFAVOURITEBOY Wrote:Pick a side and fight. Are you for abortion or against?

I don't want to fight. I think abortion is wrong, but I know that if I got pregnant by some weird freak accident, I wouldn't want to give birth, but I wouldn't want to have an abortion because I think it's wrong, but I wouldn't want to be a mother, but I wouldn't want to kill it, but .... er fuck that, I'm staying on the fence!

Being me, I just wouldn't get pregnant in the first place. But that's me. Apparently not everyone is that careful, so I would totally sympathize with someone who wanted an abortion. I can understand it, but I don't have to like it.

EDIT: Pro-choice is not anti-life, and pro-life is not anti-choice. They're not opposites, so I see no reason why they can't learn to get along and help each other out.

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wsgosset Wrote:I was trying to say that I can't sympathize with the people who blow up abortion clinics.

Neither can I. Just because you're against something doesn't give you the right to blow the shit out of it... some people, seriously... Rolleyes Laugh

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If you are against something there are times when it is appropriate to blow the shit out of things. According to pro-lifers, abortion clinics are chambers of mass murder. M-U-R-D-E-R. It would be wrong not to stop abortions from happening.

Blowing up an abortion clinic is wrong because first and second trimester abortions aren't murder. Even so, if I was a pro-lifer I would be blowing up abortion clinics myself which is why I can sympathize.
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One thing that kinda pisses me off about pro-lifers, is that they don't seem to give a shit about the babies once they're born.

And another thing, would you REALLY want to let someone have a baby to someone who was planning on killing it?

I mean, I can understand that the babies could be put up for adoption, but they can't adopt all of them.
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Kirby Wrote:If you are against something there are times when it is appropriate to blow the shit out of things. According to pro-lifers, abortion clinics are chambers of mass murder. M-U-R-D-E-R. It would be wrong not to stop abortions from happening.

Blowing up an abortion clinic is wrong because first and second trimester abortions aren't murder. Even so, if I was a pro-lifer I would be blowing up abortion clinics myself which is why I can sympathize.

Well, that's not a good way of thinking. How is killing more people supposed to solve anything?
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...are you serious? In Ontario in 2003 there were 36 000 abortions. If a fetus is a person that means there were 36 000 legally sanctioned murders in Ontario in one year. There were almost half a million abortions between 1993-2003 in Ontario alone. Half a million people murdered.

Blowing up abortion clinics would work because it would destroy the means of people having abortions.
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Cosbydaf Wrote:One thing that kinda pisses me off about pro-lifers, is that they don't seem to give a shit about the babies once they're born.

And another thing, would you REALLY want to let someone have a baby to someone who was planning on killing it?

I mean, I can understand that the babies could be put up for adoption, but they can't adopt all of them.


What about those women who have abortions to save THEMSELVES from dying. It may sound reasonable, but really you'll just end up regretting it, and end up committing suicide or fall into deep post partum-depression, or some other fucked up thing.

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Kirby Wrote:...are you serious? In Ontario in 2003 there were 36 000 abortions. If a fetus is a person that means there were 36 000 legally sanctioned murders in Ontario in one year. There were almost half a million abortions between 1993-2003 in Ontario alone. Half a million people murdered.

Blowing up abortion clinics would work because it would destroy the means of people having abortions.

Okay, ya got me there. I'd blow shit up too if I was sure it'd solve something and as long as I wouldn't be hurting anyone in the process. Of course, I'd probably never be 100% sure of either of those, so I probably wouldn't blow shit up Razz

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SoulRiser Wrote:but I know that if I got pregnant by some weird freak accident



such as...???
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The second coming of Christ?
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Kirby Wrote:The second coming of Christ?

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NANNASFAVOURITEBOY Wrote:such as...???

Such as, maybe some psycho rapist whose ass I can't kick for whatever reason? Wtf Yuck

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Soulriser is actually right (Big Surprise) here. there are people who become prego through rapings and if they ever gave birth to teh child every day they would be reminded of the most terrible moment in thier lives and some people aren't strong enough to but up for adoption. also, if people already have like 6 kids and can't even afford that (so poor that can't afford condoms either Laugh ) y should they have another child to feed? I'm pro choice.. aren't enough rites already being taken away?

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some random email chain letter Wrote:If you knew a woman who was pregnant, who had 8 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis, would you recommend that she have an abortion?




If you said YES, you just killed Beethoven.

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SoulRiser Wrote:Such as, maybe some psycho rapist whose ass I can't kick for whatever reason? Wtf Yuck

Yea, im genrally against abortion. But the in the case of the above example i think i would turn a blind eye, that and extreme poverty (and i do mean extreme). But after reading the above posts i must say i have developed a great hatred for the term "pro choice" like... WTF?
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it means taht we are for the ability to choose abortion or not.. both names are 'pro-life' or 'pro-choise' to show the good parts of both decisions.

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yea but that politically correct shit is gay. Why not just say it for what it is?



Shold we mash fetus' or shoud we not mash fetus' ?

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pro choice and pro life are really fast ways of saying it.. its convinient

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Cosbydaf Wrote:One thing that kinda pisses me off about pro-lifers, is that they don't seem to give a shit about the babies once they're born.

And another thing, would you REALLY want to let someone have a baby to someone who was planning on killing it?

I mean, I can understand that the babies could be put up for adoption, but they can't adopt all of them.
plus, what if they can't provide a good life for that child.

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