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TheATXkiller- its not casue they been brainwashed its been scientifically proven that children cant comprhened consequences as much as adults
Fightforright- yes they would if it were legal (maybe not 5 but certainly like 12 and up would)
I highly suggest Mobb Deep's albums The Infamous and Hell on Earth, if you have not listened to it yet.
One of the reasons they can't comprehend it is because we "shelter" and "protect" them.
From reality.... which they'll eventually have to deal with.... and won't be prepared for....
Ofcourse no matter what a five year old won't go out drinking/ect. but, as Doc said that youth rights doesn't mean letter you toddler go out all night and do "whatever"
The problem with people saying that we should have these laws is because tiny little children will go do "whatever". I hate it when people do this, they think up all most completely impossible situations to prove their point. This is where we rely on common sense.
We would have more of this "common sense" is 90% of the American Populus learned how to think and stopped thinking of the telivision/media in general (mostly television) as their fucking god.
If we teach children to be responsible at a young age, they'll be more responible at a younger age.
The problem is we baby our ENTIRE population.
If we didn't do that the majority of us will learn how to "think"*
Then people will see the big picture, and stop being so fucking apathetic.
*As I've said before, thinking is a reat skill that not many people learn in life.
but could you back up with science? otherwise people will think you are some guy with a wacko theory
(thnx for proving me wrong taht conviced me *bows down to littlefreak14*
I highly suggest Mobb Deep's albums The Infamous and Hell on Earth, if you have not listened to it yet.
darthmat Wrote:but could you back up with science? otherwise people will think you are some guy with a wacko theory
(thnx for proving me wrong taht conviced me *bows down to littlefreak14*
I highly doubt that 12 year olds would be drinking, smoking, and gambling. Hell, at 12 I had a damned good perspective on the world and consequences to my actions. About the same as it is today. Maybe a little worse back then, but the change to the better is due to the YR movement. Anyways, currently, I am 14. There isn't a whole lot of difference between a 14 year old and a twelve year old.
[quote="darthmat"]i just used 12 as an exaple and you thought it was good.. but do u know if it really was good or not?[/quote
Okay, what? I couldn't even understand that.
Remember that link I posted to that article that explained the various stages of brain/logic development? So yeah, technically a 5 year old won't comprehend as much as a 12 year old about anything requiring logic. And technically puberty is supposedly the stage where people acquire the ability to think at the highest level or whatever (can't remember the exact words)... but most adults never get to that point. Only 33% actually complete that stage. So yeah, most people are too stupid to make decisions like that. But it's not because of their age, it's just because they ... I dunno, I guess they just don't think about the consequences, they just do whatever feels good. That's not an age issue.
I'm not making sense. My point is... while I would never have done what either the teacher or the student did if I was in either of their positions... if other people want to, and nobody's actually getting hurt, I'm not gonna stop 'em. If I think they're stoopid, I'll point and laugh. But I won't stop 'em.
And also, getting hurt isn't the end of the world. Mistakes are there for a reason... to learn from them. If you never make any mistakes, you'll never learn anything.
If anyone makes any sense of this post... congrats
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i understood a lot at 5. you're going to understand more at 12, and then more at 20, but even at 20, while technically an adult, you're going to understand more at 30 (ignoring the classic "the more you know the less you know"). it's just about experience, not chemicals in the brain or whatever fucking excuse they try and come up with. still, even with experience, it doesn't mean someone 35 knows more than someone at 12...
Actually what Soul explaines was that most people don't get to the highest stage of thinking. So it would be prefectly logical to think that a 12 year olf has a more logical perception then a 30 year old.
LittleFreak14 Wrote:Actually what Soul explaines was that most people don't get to the highest stage of thinking. So it would be prefectly logical to think that a 12 year olf has a more logical perception then a 30 year old.
And I haven't seen that link, care to repost it?
So....some of us are fundamentally smarter then most people?
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LittleFreak14 Wrote:Actually what Soul explaines was that most people don't get to the highest stage of thinking. So it would be prefectly logical to think that a 12 year olf has a more logical perception then a 30 year old.
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Quote:So....some of us are fundamentally smarter then most people?
Well, according to that link, yes.
Ok, (this is just a fine lined explanation, there's always room for fuckups in nature)
Basically 2/3 of people never reach the "formal operation stage"
Quote:is characterized by acquisition of the ability to think abstractly and draw conclusions from the information available. During this stage the young adult functions in a cognitively normal manner and therefore is able to understand such things as love, "shades of gray", and values. Lucidly,
It said that 2/3 of people concentrate on the stage before this, or the stage where the appropiate use of logic develops.
Well, anyways, would it be safe to assume that 1/3 of children of smarter then 2/3 of adults? And equals to the other 1/3?
(This is most likely wrong, due to the fact that this stage may develop at different ages in some, and in the stages, it just compares humans to humans, and doesn't go by ages, minor vs. adult- I'm not really thinking in terms of how fast/slow people devolep)
I guess it is the age difference that concerns me, I meen Bruce Lee ended up marrying one of his students, and that doesn't bother me because they were both relatively the same age.
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LittleFreak14 Wrote:I think its easier if people just see each other as human beings, and not try to seperate ourselves from everyone else, or point out everyones differences, and categorise them.
but it has been scientifically proven taht children dont understand consequences as much sa adults (in majority)...so thats y no chld porn or child drinking/gambilng/driving is allwoeed...
Someone over 13 IS NOT A CHILD........
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"CONSENSUAL incest is not wrong. (Abuse victims: being abused by a relative does not make it wrong for others to have consensual incest, any more than rape by a stranger makes all sex wrong. Sex and assault/molestation are two different things.) An aversion became common in humans that aided in population growth as one disease couldn't wipe out the human race. That's not a problem anymore.
Consensual incest is very common. You know people who have been involved, whether you know it or not.
There is no rational reason for keeping laws or taboos against consensual
incest that is consistently applied to other relationships. Personal disgust or religion is only a reason why one person would not want to personally engage in what I call consanguinamory, not why someone else shouldn't do it. An adult should be free to share love, sex, residence, and marriage with ANY consenting adults. Youthful experimentation between close relatives close in age is not uncommon, and there are more people than you'd think out there who are in lifelong healthy, happy relationships with a close relative. It isn't for everyone, but we're not all going to want to have each others' love lives, now are we? If someone thinks YOUR love life is disgusting, should you be thrown in prison?
Some people try to justify their prejudice against consanguineous sex and
marriage by being part-time eugenicists and saying that such relationships inevitably lead to “mutant” or “deformed” babies. This argument can be refuted on several fronts. 1. Some consanguineous relationships involve only people of the same gender. 2. Not all mixed-gender relationships birth biological children. 3. Most births to consanguineous parents do not produce children with significant birth defects or other genetic problems; while births to other parents do sometimes have birth defects. 4. We don’t prevent other people from marrying or deny them their reproductive rights based on increased odds of passing along a genetic problem or inherited disease. It is true that in general, children born to consanguineous parents have an increased chance of these problems than those born to nonconsanguineous parents, but the odds are still minimal. Unless someone is willing to deny reproductive rights and medical privacy to others and force everyone to take genetic tests and bar carriers and the congenitally disabled and women over 35 from having children, then equal protection principles prevent this from being a justification to bar this freedom of association and freedom to marry.
Some say "Your sibling should not be your lover." That is not a reason. It begs the question. Many people have many relationships that have more than one aspect. Some women say their sister is their best friend. Why can’t their sister be a wife, too?
Some say “There is a power differential.” This applies least of all to siblings or cousins who are close in age, but even where the power differential exists, it is not a justification for denying this freedom to sex or to marry. There is a power differential in just about any relationship, sometimes an enormous power differential. To question if consent is truly possible in these cases is insulting and demeaning.
Some say “There are so many people outside of your family." There are plenty of people within one’s own race, too, but that is no reason to ban interracial marriage. So, this isn't a good reason either. Let consenting adults love each other the way they want!"-Keith Pullman
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