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Disgusting Assignment
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Disgusting Assignment

The teacher said we were going to do group work, a "communicative" exercise, so that meant we were going to have to talk about some stupid questions. Then she passed out a paper that had all these names on it, with ages and descriptions. At the top it basically said, "Nuclear holocaust. 15 survivers. Fall-out shelter. Only room for 7. Who lives, and who dies?"

I crumpled the paper. I concidered throwing it at the teacher, but decided instead to throw it onto the front desk, which I did. The teacher stared at me. I said, "This is disgusting. I'm not doing it." She said ok, and went on talking about the assignment and put people into groups and then told me I can't throw things in class and asked if I wanted to leave, and I did.

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Prince Rilian Wrote:The teacher said we were going to do group work, a "communicative" exercise, so that meant we were going to have to talk about some stupid questions. Then she passed out a paper that had all these names on it, with ages and descriptions. At the top it basically said, "Nuclear holocaust. 15 survivers. Fall-out shelter. Only room for 7. Who lives, and who dies?".

Holy shit you were actually assigned something like that? I mean I've read about shit like this happening (The book I read it in is nearly 15 years old) but I thought the author was exaggerating a one time event.

Props to you for refusing the assignment. I wouldn't have done that either. There are much better ways to develop communication skills without pitting students against each other in hypothetical life or death scenarios.
02-04-2011 03:02 AM
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Yeah, I think it should just be free talking, about whatever you want.

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Wow. That's pretty fucked up. I'd rather die than choose some crap like that. Or I'll make my own damn shelter. Or I'll become a super mutant and come back in a hundred years and eat all their brains. Razz

Why not rather let everyone play Fallout 3 in class? Much more fun, and none of the people are real...

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had that assignment given to me 2 times in 2 different classes, Its not that bad. You got a list of people with their ages and skill sets, its not pitting students against each other.

Alot more interesting than most of the stuff you do in class, chill out

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No, it's not pitting the students against each other directly.

But I don't want to talk about condeming someone because they aren't very good at ... whatever. And before the teacher assigned the groups, she asked for people to have a "lluvia de ideas" about what you would need to start a new society. And someone said "We'd need to have teachers." Bleeeech.

I don't want to talk about how so-and-so isn't "necessary", because it isn't that, it's killing them. It was a list of names and stuff. It makes it like they are real people.

And anyway, if you were really in that situation and those 15 people all knew and liked each other, they would just all go in the shelter together, and when the food got used up, someone or a few of them would go out and get more food. Being exposed to radiation doesn't instantly kill you, and they probably wouldn't want to leave their friends out just to give themselves slightly better chances. After all, they've all already been exposed to a lot of radiation at this point.

If they didn't all like each other, then it might be different. But they still wouldn't be getting lists of each person's skills and shit to decide who goes in. Like, if your spouse and some genius scientist guy are both in danger of dying, you save your spouse, because you love them. If you love them both, then you go for whichever one you can reach first, and then you cry a lot.

I don't like this class anyway, because all of the discussions ask me about my opinions and stuff and I don't want to share my mind or my life with the class or the professor.

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Is this sociology? Because I had an assignment just like that in my sociology class. Yeah, I was kind of disturbed by the idea too.
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Irony gave me one of these assignments right after the lunch I posted that.

Just accept they are not real people and don't take it seriously. Just today one of the choices was "a congress woman world renown for her humanitarian efforts, bla bla bla, many see her as the most likely candidate for the first female president of the USA"

I marked her as least important (ie. NEEDS TO DIE FIRST) under the reasoning "Women belong in the kitchen, not ruling a country. Especially MY country. She needs to die."

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Jesusaurisrex Wrote:my teacher loves me
This is only good if you are joking.

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AngryCollegeDude Wrote:Is this sociology? Because I had an assignment just like that in my sociology class. Yeah, I was kind of disturbed by the idea too.
The class is spanish interpersonal communications.

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Jesusaurisrex Wrote:You got a list of people with their ages and skill sets, its not pitting students against each other.

Actually it kind of does. If this were an individual assignment I would agree with you, but its not. It's a group project, and groups have a habit of forcing conformity upon individuals more than they do communication. This assignment has the same psychological basis as the asch conformity experiments that were done it the 1950's. In these experiments, test subjects were placed in a room full of actors and all participatants were given the simple task of determining which of two of four lines on a sheet of paper matched the length.

The test subject would select the correct answer and all the actors would disagree with him, unanimously selecting a different incorrect answer. What the researchers found was that the majority of the time, the test subject would eventually cave in and go along with the group even though he knew it was wrong. In the original experiment, 37 of the 50 subjects, nearly 3 in 4, conformed to the wrong answer.



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The same process is going on in Rilians class. Only instead of measuring line length, they're measuring human worth based on nothing but a laundry list of stats on the survivors and thier own, often shared preconceptions on who is worth more to society and who isn't.

tl;dr: It's a lesson on group think, not communication.
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Save the heaviest people since there's more meat on them, in case the shelter's food supply runs out.

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Prince Rilian Wrote:
Jesusaurisrex Wrote:my teacher loves me
This is only good if you are joking.

No jokes here boss. My teacher loves it when I'm sexist, she thinks its so funny that she sends me out of the class. Oherwise they would never stop marveling over how amazing my jokes are and nothing would ever get done!

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That's seriously fucked.
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the sane answer is..



kill them all. equal treatment among them. If one has to die, then all can suffer the same fate, base your reasoning off of authority figures at times can and will punish a group for the acting out of an individual.


That or there are seven ninja's already in the fallout shelter.
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Sue your school.
02-11-2011 12:09 PM
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