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Darthmat
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good question. maybe becasue humans feel insecurity?
I highly suggest Mobb Deep's albums The Infamous and Hell on Earth, if you have not listened to it yet.
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darthmat Wrote:good question. maybe becasue humans feel insecurity?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Please elaborate.
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I think it has allot to do with greed. Your average Zebra is probably more concerened with survival than economic and cultural domination of the planet. But what would a Zebre know...
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They aren't confident enough in their self-control, I guess.
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KittyKatBlack Wrote:They aren't confident enough in their self-control, I guess.
That's what i emant by insecure. thx.
I highly suggest Mobb Deep's albums The Infamous and Hell on Earth, if you have not listened to it yet.
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ilikeapricots Wrote:I think it has allot to do with greed. Your average Zebra is probably more concerened with survival than economic and cultural domination of the planet. But what would a Zebre know...
I agree.
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ilikeapricots Wrote:I think it has allot to do with greed. Your average Zebra is probably more concerened with survival than economic and cultural domination of the planet. But what would a Zebre know...
That could have something to do with it, but the problem is that greed comes from survival.
Too many humans are surviving, and now we have people competing for resources/land. Greed is born from competition.
The reason too many humans are surviving is that humans change their whole environments to suit themselves, whereas other creatures change their environments in minuscule amounts.
I'm still a bit confused by my own thoughts.
It's been hard to articulate even that little bit.
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Eidolon Wrote:ilikeapricots Wrote:I think it has allot to do with greed. Your average Zebra is probably more concerened with survival than economic and cultural domination of the planet. But what would a Zebre know...
That could have something to do with it, but the problem is that greed comes from survival.
Too many humans are surviving, and now we have people competing for resources/land. Greed is born from competition.
The reason too many humans are surviving is that humans change their whole environments to suit themselves, whereas other creatures change their environments in minuscule amounts.
I'm still a bit confused by my own thoughts.
It's been hard to articulate even that little bit.
People can still be greedy, even if they're still surviving. After so much greed to survive we've just become a selfish creature.
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Eidolon Wrote:Why do you suppose humans have/want/need governments, when most other creatures don't (or don't seem to) have/want/need them?
To put it bluntly, all other known creatures on Earth are dumbasses. Governments come into power because either 1) people are desperate and see the organization as good; or 2) a few people decide to oppress others for their own gain. The first reason is dependent on the knowledge of a government. The second reason is dependent on the ability for a small group to oppress a larger one. Both reasons are invalid because other creatures cannot think or comprehend to the degree necessary. Social organization still occurs within other species but that cannot be called a government because it lacks the organizational or professional aspect.
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Kirby Wrote:Social organization still occurs within other species but that cannot be called a government because it lacks the organizational or professional aspect.
So you don't think wolf packs, lion prides, or gorilla troops are governments of sorts?
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I'll explain a bit about what I mean by the "organizational or professional aspect" of government. A human government whether rule by gangs or republics is always an institution. For example, monastic orders from ancient times still exist. They exist as an organization not as just a group of people. A wolf pack is just a group of wolves. The social organization is similar to certain forms of governments but they lack the professional aspect.
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Kirby Wrote:I'll explain a bit about what I mean by the "organizational or professional aspect" of government. A human government whether rule by gangs or republics is always an institution. For example, monastic orders from ancient times still exist. They exist as an organization not as just a group of people. A wolf pack is just a group of wolves. The social organization is similar to certain forms of governments but they lack the professional aspect.
Makes sense.
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Suicidal-kun Wrote:Kirby Wrote:I'll explain a bit about what I mean by the "organizational or professional aspect" of government. A human government whether rule by gangs or republics is always an institution. For example, monastic orders from ancient times still exist. They exist as an organization not as just a group of people. A wolf pack is just a group of wolves. The social organization is similar to certain forms of governments but they lack the professional aspect.
Makes sense.
Indeed.
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BigWolf Wrote:Animals, such as Zebras, are not complex enough creatures to form their own sophisticated governments
er... you obviously havent heard of the intergalactic federation of Zebras. Not complex enough? dude... i got 4 words for ya: Teenage mutant ninja turtles. Are you gonna sit there and tell me Donatello cant make a government? My advice: go get the shrek movies and sit down and just watch them. I swear your entire views on this topic will change.
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ilikeapricots Wrote:BigWolf Wrote:Animals, such as Zebras, are not complex enough creatures to form their own sophisticated governments
er... you obviously havent heard of the intergalactic federation of Zebras. Not complex enough? dude... i got 4 words for ya: Teenage mutant ninja turtles. Are you gonna sit there and tell me Donatello cant make a government? My advice: go get the shrek movies and sit down and just watch them. I swear your entire views on this topic will change.
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ilikeapricots Wrote:BigWolf Wrote:Animals, such as Zebras, are not complex enough creatures to form their own sophisticated governments
er... you obviously havent heard of the intergalactic federation of Zebras. Not complex enough? dude... i got 4 words for ya: Teenage mutant ninja turtles. Are you gonna sit there and tell me Donatello cant make a government? My advice: go get the shrek movies and sit down and just watch them. I swear your entire views on this topic will change.
I highly suggest Mobb Deep's albums The Infamous and Hell on Earth, if you have not listened to it yet.
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ilikeapricots Wrote:BigWolf Wrote:Animals, such as Zebras, are not complex enough creatures to form their own sophisticated governments
er... you obviously havent heard of the intergalactic federation of Zebras. Not complex enough? dude... i got 4 words for ya: Teenage mutant ninja turtles. Are you gonna sit there and tell me Donatello cant make a government? My advice: go get the shrek movies and sit down and just watch them. I swear your entire views on this topic will change.
Oh, the humor. It burns.
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