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thewake · 10-28-2007 09:04 AM

But what if it's too late?

.xstrike-anywherex. · 10-28-2007 11:59 AM

Suicidal-kun Wrote:
.xstrike-anywherex. Wrote:And on the subject of hell, does anyone deserve hell? Think about the worst people on Earth. You probably said "Hitler" or the name of a famous serial killer. But think about eternity. That's a long ass fucking time. After 100 years, constantly being burned would be plenty of punishment for anything anyone ever did. But eternity? That's an infinite punishment for a limited amount of bad things we can do while we're here on Earth. How fair is that, even for the worst of the worst?
This is why I think of hell differently, I don't see it as a place that you stay in for eternity, but as a place where you are punished for a certain amount of time. When you've been punished long enough, you get into heaven. You can stay in hell for a month, or 500000 years, but eventually, everyone gets into heaven.

That's a view that's common in Islam and Eastern religions, but not as much in Christianity.

mudkip liek · 10-29-2007 12:03 AM

christillusion Wrote:
Quote:They have actual proof that evolution is real.

Really? Show me!

Quote:Evolution doesn't require belief because it is real. Now whether you "believe" in it or not, is of course your choice, but it would be ignorant because it's like saying you don't "believe" that one plus one equals two. How can you resist knowledge?

1+1=2? What if numbers were in a different order like:1, 3, 2...... Then 1+1 would equal 3. It's only 2 because someone wanted the numbers to go in that order.

Oh, I am not ignorant for not believing in evolution. What you are saying is that since I don't believe that the world just appeared and we all came from monkeys, I'm ignorant. Tell me how the fuck I came from a monkey. If you believe it fine. I really don't care, but don't call me ignorant for not believing in something that sounds(to me) completely retarded. Yes, evolution does require belief. I haven't seen any proof, and if you can't prove it to me, then shut the fuck up.

I am not telling you that you are wrong for being an atheist. I don't even know if there is a god. I just don't believe evolution is real, and you pissed me off when you started with the whole "people who don't believe in evolution are ignorant" because we are not.

Wow, you sure do have anger problems. I cannot give you proof because I'm not a scientist but they do have proof and they have shown it. Sure, there isn't a lot of it, but it's enough for it to make it WAY more "believable" than a book some people wrote about someone in the sky who, in the blink of an eye, made the universe appear (don't make me laugh). Otherwise, it would not be in our science books. You are saying evolution means the world just appeared out of nowhere and we came from monkeys and you're saying you're NOT ignorant? Have you done your research? Before you even start arguing with someone like me about EVOLUTION and start cussing at people for no reason, at LEAST know what they hell you're talking about. Evolution does NOWHERE state the world appeared out of nowhere, my friend. It simply states we descended from ape-like creatures RELATED to the modern ape. And there's WAY more to it than that. Evolution is a process by which heritable traits are passed on. It isn't as simple as you think. "We didn't come from monkeys", that's all most religious people can say to evolution, when you don't even know half of it. It just shows how well you know your facts.

And correction, I didn't piss you off. You simply allowed yourself to get pissed. I, in no way, even intended to. If you get pissed that's your problem, not mine. So don't try to sound like you're the victim here.

arthasmenethil · 10-29-2007 12:26 AM

Then explain to me how the world got here. If it didn't appear then how did it get here?

And about the Bible: I know this book is full of shit. I don't believe that God created Earth in 7 days. That has been disproven, and until you can disprove god, don't tell me I'm wrong. Proof of evolution does NOT disprove God.(despite what people might think)

mudkip liek · 10-29-2007 12:37 AM

You're asking for the impossible. I can NEVER prove to you how we got here, ok? Just because I don't know how the earth was created doesn't mean I'm gonna rely on the Bible to give me false answers just so I can at least HAVE an answer. That's what you're basically stating. I don't care if I don't have answers to certain questions. Some things are best left unknown.

Of course evolution doesn't disprove god. I never tried to disprove god's existence. I just know he isn't real. I know you think I'm stupid but I don't care what people think.

Don't get mad at my posts, who cares what I say? You believe in god, I don't, let's just leave it at that. I'm just a stranger on the internet, it really shouldn't matter. Smile

arthasmenethil · 10-29-2007 12:44 AM

I don't think you are stupid. I never said you were. I do not rely on the Bible for answers, but I think there is a god. Maybe not the god that watches over everyone like most Christians say, but a god that created earth. I have never read a part of the Bible. But I think there are some things in this world that are not explainanble. A god is one of them. If you don't believe in anything beyond what you can see, fine, I don't care. Yes, I do doubt the existance of a god. I'll wait til I die to see if he is real.

mudkip liek · 10-29-2007 12:54 AM

Well I'm glad our little argument is over, I really didn't mean to make anyone mad.

I do believe in stuff I can't see....like air. The correct term would be I don't believe in anything I don't see, hear, smell, or feel. That's all.

But if you doubt the existence of god, then you're agnostic....right? Well, only you can answer that question.

cooltoonist · 11-03-2007 06:56 AM

I believe the idea of god is just a parody of worshiping the subconscious since "prays" seems to be like a form of communication to the subconscious since its done in the head.

The Grim Reaper · 11-03-2007 07:44 AM

Its so very difficult to say I don't believe in god, since I spoke to him yesterday.

Liquid · 11-06-2007 05:07 AM

The Grim Reaper Wrote:Its so very difficult to say I don't believe in god, since I spoke to him yesterday.

... the Grim Reaper... well I've always hoped that I'd never have to meet you for a looong time but... as it's not in person...

Atleast we have someone to end this huge religion debate Wave

Miller0700 · 02-22-2011 08:03 AM

Mista Conspiracy Wrote:About fossils...

It's been proven that multiple layers of rock can form at the same time. So they didn't necessarily form over millions of years. They could've formed during the flood. But science for the most part nowadays is biased towards evolution, so the millions of years is how they have to interpret the evidence.

Yes true, but certain lays take millions of years to form. And please don't bring the flood into this.

Science is biased to evolution how?

Miller0700 · 02-22-2011 08:06 AM

Tyraid Wrote:God's existance is proven inarguably by a single fact. The existance of man. No other creature upon this earth is remotely similar to man. I do not speak of physical apperance but of man's spirit. Art and the perception of beauty is the simplest of explainations of this spirit. We are unique in our appreciation of both simple and complex images. From our begining we created simply to create. Because we were driven to, so that we might admire our creations. This, doubtless, is one of God's reasons for creating the heavens and the earth. Because he could, because he was driven to, so that when his great work is finished, he might be able to admire it.

Even though were very similar genetically, physiologically and physically. We've seen animals create and learn. We are apart of nature not part from it.

Miller0700 · 02-22-2011 08:20 AM

arthasmenethil Wrote:
Quote:They have actual proof that evolution is real.

Really? Show me!

Quote:Evolution doesn't require belief because it is real. Now whether you "believe" in it or not, is of course your choice, but it would be ignorant because it's like saying you don't "believe" that one plus one equals two. How can you resist knowledge?

1+1=2? What if numbers were in a different order like:1, 3, 2...... Then 1+1 would equal 3. It's only 2 because someone wanted the numbers to go in that order.

Oh, I am not ignorant for not believing in evolution. What you are saying is that since I don't believe that the world just appeared and we all came from monkeys, I'm ignorant. Tell me how the fuck I came from a monkey. If you believe it fine. I really don't care, but don't call me ignorant for not believing in something that sounds(to me) completely retarded. Yes, evolution does require belief. I haven't seen any proof, and if you can't prove it to me, then shut the fuck up.

I am not telling you that you are wrong for being an atheist. I don't even know if there is a god. I just don't believe evolution is real, and you pissed me off when you started with the whole "people who don't believe in evolution are ignorant" because we are not.

Yes, you are ignorant. We did not, and I repeat, we did not come from monkeys. We share a common ancestor with them.

~Mystery~ · 02-22-2011 11:07 AM

your missing the point it doesn't matter if we came from monkeys or not it matters to know where monkeys came from.

Miller0700 · 02-22-2011 11:13 AM

~Mystery~ Wrote:your missing the point it doesn't matter if we came from monkeys or not it matters to know where monkeys came from.

I was trying to say that, but rather, I got mixed up in my words and ended up posting that.

Negative · 02-27-2011 08:04 AM

Evolution's been proven. It's only the people who don't know anything about evolution that deny it.

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