gun control

[Albatross]

i would like to know your opinions on this (if this is in the wrong forum please move it)

[Suicidal-kun]

I'm against gun control.

[Pieman]

Im kinda 50-50. I think guns should be used for self defense and they give people a sense of safeness. Although, they can be fatal. They are powerful weapons. So in some cases, they make people feel safe. Others, use them for fights. They are the top weapons for murder.

[Ahab]

I'm all for gun owners rights. If we want to have any kind of revolution which would remove this fascist hirearchy called Government, its not gonna be with protesting alone. Plus, if everyone has a gun, trying to pull some stupid ass stunt isnt going to go over as well if assault weapons are banned and robbers can get it from the black market, leaving innocent civilians without protection.

Maybe the idea of no guns work in places like Japan and Europe, but Europe is filled with a bunch of market socialists with hopeless aspirations, and Japan is a very traditional society where the sheer social pressure controls most of the environment there.

[Darthmat]

I think guns shouldnt exist period.

[Rebelnerd]

i would hate to live in a world like that. strong people and mobs would rule the world and the physically weak would be treated like insects. not good for those with more brains than brawn.

[Suicidal-kun]

Rebelnerd Wrote:i would hate to live in a world like that. strong people and mobs would rule the world and the physically weak would be treated like insects. not good for those with more brains than brawn.

Exactly.

[Darthmat]

What i meant by what i said is that i wish that there was nop violence perios, but after reading what you just werote which hadnt occured to me i am glad we do have guns in this day in age.

[Rebelnerd]

yeah, it's important to distinguish the difference between violence, and the tools used for violence.

[Guest]

THE WORLD IS NOT HIGH SCHOOL. The world cannot be divided into jocks and nerds. Fucking grow up.

[Suicidal-kun]

Kirby Wrote:THE WORLD IS NOT HIGH SCHOOL. The world cannot be divided into jocks and nerds. Fucking grow up.

Even if the world is not jocks and nerds, there will always be stronger people who take advantage of others.

[Guest]

It's not about strength, it's about power. Power is based solely on how people are perceived.

Certain cultures may instill values that say that the physically strong should be followed because of some bullshit reason. Another culture may say the smartest people should be followed because they can lead better. In that culture there would not be massive revolts of the strong and stupid against the smart and weak. Most of the strong and stupid people would think that the smart people should lead and would stop the other strong and stupid people from revolting.

In a world without guns, if strong people ruled they would not do so because they are strong. Those with power would rule. That power can come from physical strength but throughout the last 2000 years of major civilizations, power has not been based solely on strength.

[thewake]

People get power from many aspects one of which is because the people they rule don't speak up. They are allowed to rule, usually because they are clever enough to con the whole of society into thinking their rule is "divine" or "better than alternatives", but sometimes they are elected.

Al Capone did say power comes from the barrel of a gun though, and I think there is some truth to that. I think there should be no gun regulations except for criminals and the mentally ill, as long as people aren't hurting each other I don't see anything wrong with them hunting or just having a gun collection.

[Rebelnerd]

Kirby Wrote:THE WORLD IS NOT HIGH SCHOOL. The world cannot be divided into jocks and nerds. Fucking grow up.

that's really not what i was saying, of course the world is more complicated than that. i've used high school as an example because it's something we can all relate to, but generally, if there were no way to defend yourself during combat without resorting to physical strength, then weak people would be oppressed. i think that's pretty basic right there. and yes, there are other ways to gain power. but notice that i also mentioned mobs, as in large groups of people not thinking for themselves. it's a hell of a lot easier for one guy to fight off a group with an AK47 than with his fists, wouldn't you say? even if the group had guns too he would still have a significantly greater chance.
so, maybe if you'd grow up and stop putting words in my mouth, we could actually debate this.

[Rebelnerd]

Wolf on Mescaline Wrote:That would assume that the mob bosses are the ones doing the fighting, they aren't, they send their goons to do the dirty work for 'em.

The goons would be the equivalent of dumb jocks, the bosses would be the nerds who outsmarted the jocks into doing what they want.

right, but if you take out the goons then the boss is severely weakened. eventually he'd have to do the fighting, or give up.

Wolf on Mescaline Wrote:I agree to an extent, physically weak people would not be the main targets of oppression though, it would be weak-minded people whom are subject to manipulation. It's really not about who can kick the most ass, it's about who can gain the most influence over a crowd of people.

Oppression has a lot more factors than one's physical build.

i know, but it's a lot easier to mow down a horde of weak-minded minions with a gun than without one. i already said, guns are useful for the protection of the minority as well as for the weak.